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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/68752761 which was cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/64103917

I thought about saying "you know it's a grift when they collect personal information and leak it." According to their Bible, you don't need an app to pray. They say church (or a covenant, I forget, it's been 30+ years since I read the KJV) is when any two people come together to talk about Jesus (sorry!). So, where does an app fit in? And why does that app need your personally identifiable information (referred to as PII in industry). Wouldn't an all-knowing God already have it?

But you don't have to know it's a grift... I feel like this is proof the Vatican (or whoever made this app on their behalf, and thus speak on their behalf... and the Pope allegedly speaks on God's behalf) themselves know it's a grift. Because why would they need your PII?

I know, fools and their money are soon parted... just saw this on /all and figured the Fediverse's top Atheism comm should have it.

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[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
  1. Causality can be interpreted as a series of gears. One thing is caused by the other.

  2. Verses?

And the need is that of relying on other things to survive. If the sun disappeared, you would die, thus you depend on the sun. If all the arachnids and the sort died, the ecosystem would be rattled and we'd all die. We depend on other things to live. That is my evidence for this claim, as we can observe.

And to deny God's existence is to claim that what requires all (the universe, it depends on a lot of factors to survive) requires nothing (Does not require God to exist).

This is a logical contradiction.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Causality can be interpreted as a series of gears. > > One thing is caused by the other.

If you say so. But that would include god, in that case.

Verses?

The honest answer: we don't know. Probably not god, certainly not the christian god.

If the sun disappeared, you would die, thus you depend on the sun.

This is extremely reductive and unimaginative. What if we find a way to replace the light, warmth, vitamins etc we get from the sun? Heck, maybe we could even make a version that doesn't give us cancer, one-upping your fictional god.

If all the arachnids and the sort died, the ecosystem would be rattled and we'd all die. We depend on other things to live. That is my evidence for this claim, as we can observe.

This says nothing about the origins of the universe. It wasn't made for us, we evolved to survive.

And to deny God's existence is to claim that what requires all (the universe, it depends on a lot of factors to survive) requires nothing (Does not require God to exist).

No. Atheists are not making a claim. You are making a claim that god exists based on nothing but wishful thinking and a poor understanding of science. We deny that claim because there is no evidence to support it.

This is a logical contradiction.

All you have is god of the gaps and special pleading. You have failed to convince me or anyone else with integrity that your god exists.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

"poor understanding of science"

😐

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Scientifically speaking, we have no evidence suggesting the existence of a god. How do you even define "god"? It is human wishful thinking every time.

If there was sufficient evidence, I would still be a believer. But when I am as honest as I can be, I see nothing at all in this universe to suggest a god's existence, much less the christian god, who is described in contradictory ways because biblical authors were not consistent with themselves or with each other. Loving + powerful = no need for suffering. God is unimaginative. Stupid. Cruel. Non-existent.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There is, there have been many scientifically proven miracles

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 50 minutes ago

Bullshit. See my other comment.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely. You identify the process of evolution based on evidence (well done, some theists can't even manage that), and then you attribute it to a creator despite there being no reason to make that jump.

Faith is weakness, an assumption made in the absence of fact and stubbornly held despite what any evidence might suggest.

You worship the god of the gaps. "We don't know, so it's probably god." But it's probably not. "We don't know" means it could be anything. The odds of your baseless guess being correct are virtually zero.

Meanwhile, real people are being harmed as a result of your beliefs.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 58 minutes ago (1 children)

When you see a painting with the artist's signature, what is more likely?

That there is an artist that painted it? or the brushes of paint rolled around the paper in a certain way due to the wind and it was created?

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 50 minutes ago

There is no artist's signature on our universe. Stop making stupid false equivalences.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The gears extending infinitely would be a Reductio Ad Absurdum, so one gear must be the start of it all.

???

Definitely not within your lifespan, and definitely not fast enough if the sun actually disappeared.

I am making a claim by saying "X isnt real"

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The gears extending infinitely would be a Reductio Ad Absurdum, so one gear must be the start of it all

So god also requires a cause. The only alternative is special pleading.

Definitely not within your lifespan, and definitely not fast enough if the sun actually disappeared.

Why did god choose to make a sun that gives us cancer?

I am making a claim by saying "X isnt real"

Atheists are "making the claim" that we don't believe your claim, because there is no argument, evidence, or reason supporting your claim. You not only assume there is a god, you then assume to understand why he created suffering, even though you have not been able to explain it. He cannot be both powerful and loving, if he existed at all.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No, he doesn't. He is of a different nature.

Why do you think its ok to eat chicken but not human flesh? Because we of a different nature than chickens.

Thus, God is also of a different nature than us.

[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 points 54 minutes ago

No, he doesn't. He is of a different nature.

Special pleading.

Why do you think its ok to eat chicken but not human flesh? Because we of a different nature than chickens.

Because a society that tolerates needless cannibalism is unsustainable. And because prions. But also, I don't think it's okay to eat chicken.

Thus, God is also of a different nature than us.

Special pleading. Aren't we each of a "different nature", as individuals? Define "nature".