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[–] cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

There are complexities. Sure. Pushing new ideas is always complicated, and shitty people can do shitty things with them.

The Manson family was hoover's baby. Not that they're innocent, but they had help sucking that much.

None of that is this. The counter culture hasn't been there for decades; what's left is aesthetic remnants.

Thiel grew up in a Nazi cult. I think in south Africa? There were swastikas on the flags in his school. Musk is from south africa-during apartheid. They're not from fucking San Francisco. You're trying to make a point about how too much freedom is bad sometimes. I've got complex feelings, but your point is totally unsupported by facts on display here.

The point of what I said is that they're not genuinely from/of there, its just the cultural milleiu they knew in their 20s. They pulled the fucking aesthetics and nothing else, and they're getting stupid(er) because even the fucking aesthetics were too much for them.