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even at the time it was first told it was a fantasy story about a mythologized distant past. complaining that the Odyssey doesn't have costumes accurate to the time of Homer is like complaining that Lord of the Rings doesn't have Aragorn running around in a WW2-era English army uniform
Yeah.... This isn't about costumes at all. It's about casting a woman of color as Helen of Troy.
I generally don't like virtue signaling but I just watched Odyssey the casting was on point for the entire movie. Amazing performance all around and hated Elliot Page and Lupita Nyong'o did amazing jobs - these people are 100% just racists and bigots.
I'm a Greek mythology nerd too and this is by far my favorite Hollywood take in this niche!
So normally, you'd be against this because casting a black person in a historically white role is "virtue signaling"?
Have you ever considered that the casting director chooses who they think is best for the job?
You're honestly telling on yourself when you call shit "virtue signaling." You're tacitly admitting that you could never believe that a person might be the best for the job because of their race or gender.
If it's used regarding something not related to race, you're admitting to everyone that you lack basic empathy, and therefore refuse to accept that others might have that empathy. "They must be virtue signaling, because nobody actually wants to help the homeless."
This "everything is virtue signaling" bullshit is for the birds. It's a thought terminating cliche that literally makes people racist and sociopathic
Stop. Do better.
No, just other kinds of virtue signaling. I think re-interperting is perfectly fine as long as the context isnt something punching down like black face. I misspoke I guess but there are virtue signaling that is more akin to obvious rage bait but odyssey is clearly not it.
Ah yes, the daughter who was born when her mother fucked a goose and hatched her from an egg. Famously, all goose-born demigods must be white. Everyone knows this.
Why is everyone convinced Troy is a Greek state?
From what I recall there's no definitive site labeled "Hey historians and argumentative future nerds, this was ilion or Troy". Priam ruled here, Hector and Achilles died yonder."
Speculation I remember placing it near Carthage, then Istanbul.
I of all people should probably know, but I just don't think it fucking matters, personally.
Edit: before I get that message, I am aware the illiad is a work of fiction, with a possible degree of basis in truth, or none at all being another possibility.
Yeah it's in Anatolia, the Trojans would probably look like modern Turks
It's set during Greek Bronze Age/Mycenaean civilization. I guess the historical accuracy means portraying that period accurately within the frame of the fantasy.
the point is that even the original ancient Greek audience would not have had, nor been expected by the author to have, an accurate conception of what it was like to live several hundred years before their own time. historical accuracy has never been a necessary, or even intended, aspect of the work
I mean he probably assumed and intended them to be thought of as looking more like his time than the setting. So that could be another point of "historical authenticity", setting it to time period of Homer.
Some people just enjoy that sort of "accuracy" even in this type of work. It can be neat
Which there are valid complaints about costuming in that context, but that’s not really what the crowd whining about “historical accuracy” gives a shit about.
Like, if it were SCA nerds nitpicking dyes and fabric types, or armor construction - sure, that’s lots of fun. As someone with an interest in textile history I do get annoyed by the fact that the last decade of filmmaking seems to have deprioritized making pretty costumes and everything looks so cheap nowadays.
But that’s not what right wing chuds are complaining about. They don’t actually give two shits about historical accuracy (consider how popular 300 is with that crowd…) Odysseus could have a fucking lightsaber and they wouldn’t care as long as everyone was white.
Yeah, but there'd actually be more roughspun fabrics worn everyday than beautiful silks like they'd portray in a 60s era sword and sandal film.
Fact is we can't conceive what the gene pool even made a Greek look like that long ago anyways when this existed as song.