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Neither is the average human being anywhere, just trying to survive a hostile narcissistic environment they have no control over
Rich people are destroying the planet. It's nobody else's fault.
I don't like this argument that it's just the rich screwing us over. Ya, they're dickbags with no small responsibility for perpetuating our current situation and their insane lifestyles. But all of us need to use less junk, travel less, and eat a whole lot less meat.
I know so many people who will talk about the environment, but will still think nothing of hopping on a plane for the most frivolous of reasons. Won't even consider public transportation. Eats meat every day.
Ya the oligarchy is fucking us over big time. But that doesn't absolve you of any sort of personal responsibility. Reduce, reuse, recycle. And plant a garden while your at it!
No, we don't. That's part of this sick game. Convince the least powerful to sacrifice ever more while the most powerful sacrifice nothing? No. I won't play this game anymore. I won't voluntarily impoverish my options in life. Until the wealthy and powerful change, I refuse to make my life more costly or difficult than they've already made it. Life is hard enough as it is for the working class, I'm not making it more difficult and for almost zero measurable impact. The magnitude of difference between my impact and theirs makes mine completely, statistically, insignificant. The impact on navigating my life, however, is significant.
No more. Either the rich are brought to heel or we all die together.
And so nothing changes and the planet continues to burn. Keep up your conspicuous consumption because some dickbag has a yacht and custom tax scheme. It's whataboutisim. For sure fuck the oligarchy. But if all the billionaires died over night it would barely make a dent in our co2 emissions.
But hey! At least you got yours. Don't worry, the global south will suffer sooner and worse than you.
I don't have anything. I survive. Almost all I spend is on basic survival. I don't know who you think I am but I don't have the luxury of purchasing choice and I especially don't have the luxury of making my life more expensive than the wealthy have already made it, by sacrificing to resolve your discomfort with the world.
I'd tell you to go talk to the people with power but you already know they don't care about what you have to say, that's why you harass the working class, instead.
Lol I'm not trying to harass anyone. Just push back on the notion that all the world's problems can be laid at the feet of the rich. And if we're gonna collectively pull ourselves out of this ecological disaster we've gotta change. Be willing to eat less meat travel less, consume less overall. And plant a damn garden while you're at it!
You're right in that I don't know anything about you. Except that you're willing to completely miss the point of what's been said and decide to take offence.
Why do you care to protect them in the first place? Are you one of them? Lurking on the peasant's media space, defending the wealthy from their own selfish behavior? Why is the lesson that must be given that the wealthy aren't as evil as their behavior suggests? Why is that your priority at all?
You give offense with every guilt layden demand that the poor and working class further disempower ourselves to satisfy you. Go nag the wealthy who caused this mess, go guilt them into stopping their companies from despoiling the air, the land, the water. Go demand they end the fossil fuel industry that they own and profit from that we are all forced to participate in.
We will never get out of this without the wealthy changing. So long as they refuse, we are lost. Eat less of the meat we can already barely afford with food prices where they are? Travel less!? Who can afford to travel anywhere? Plant a garden? Where the hell are we supposed to do that? Land is too expensive to even have any of it because the wealthy keep buying it all FFS.
You're completely out of touch and yet you come here to lecture us about our responsibilities? You're a class traitor and wealth apologist. If the wealthy refuse to sacrifice to fix the problems they caused then I'd rather watch the world burn.
Lol what part of fuck the oligarchy do you interpret as me "protecting the rich" fuck em. Bring out the guittiones I say. Fuck dude. I'm done
The part where you try to guilt working people into further disempowering themselves through yet more sacrifices. The part where you seem to think the most important lesson here is that rich people aren't at fault and shouldn't be forced to fix it themselves.
Whos stopping us from reengineering our civilisation to be eco-friendly?
Us. There will always be people who enjoy power games and needless cruelty, that's just how we are as a species and what all the religions, empires and industries we've ever had have been based on.
We're not capable of being better, the power games and cruelty have always been too well rewarded. It's ingrained.
Step on the little man to get ahead, prove your place by ostracising the witch, genocide/crusade/colonise to acquire land and spread your religion, fabricate wars to steal resources, vote for the leaders who hate the same people you hate, etc.
It might not be all of us who do this, but it's always been the majority and they keep winning.
Any attempt at a moral and just society full of like minded people, is always going to end by power games and needless cruelty, either from the people within it or from the people outside it.
That's just how we are as a species. Collectively, we suck.
It's guilt by association for those of us who aren't needlessly cruel and power hungry, but it's still valid as we will never be able to escape these systems of oppression created and upheld by the rest of our species.
It could be. We might be stabbing it with a pretty scary knife it wouldn't survive, but the capitalists stuff a hydrogen bomb down its throat every day so that doesn't really matter.
Let's call that greedy people. I would not mind them being rich if they chose to be a little less rich to pay their people well and earn their money while respecting the environment and protecting the climate.
Nobody earns their way to have hundreds or even tens of millions. That's a broken system of incentives and resource distribution that they exploit to enrich themselves. All of it, fundamentally, backed by the threat of violence.