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Do be careful with the kratom there, eh...
Meh, I've heard the horror stories but I've been taking it almost daily since 2018 (except on weekends and vacations). I'm actually in the middle of a two week tolerance break right now, and the worst side effect I felt was a slight shoulder pain that went away by day three. (Turns out I was over exerting at work without realizing it because the kratom was numbing the pain.) And the depression's back too of course but being miserable is my baseline.
So no, I'm not worried about it. It doesn't even induce respiratory depression like a real opiate does, so the risk of overdose is next to nil. And I'm always careful to obtain my kratom from trusted sources, of course.
If you want to warn me about anything, you should be warning me about kratom's isolated form, 7-OH. While still not deadly, that little molecule is pure evil. It hits you like a freight train and wears off within 30 minutes, making you constantly thinking about next dose every waking moment. It's more intense than kratom, sure, but you don't get the same full spectrum effect (it's similar to the difference between live resin and THC distillate, if you want a familiar comparison). After a month of being chained down by this drug, I ditched the 7-OH pills and went right back to the powder. At least with kratom I enough relief from a single spoonful to have me feeling good enough to be a functioning adult in the workplace.
That 7-OH shit is harsh. I've tried it exactly once and didn't have a good time with it at all. Just felt extremely dirty without the rest of the plant components there with it and mostly just caused one of the worst splitting headaches I've ever had.
It's plain leaf for me as well, from a trusted vendor that tests for heavy metals and all that. I'd rather raw dog a couple spoonfuls of gritty vegetal powder on the regular than mess with sketchy gas station pressies or even the normal extracts.
The 7-OH craze kinda reminds me of the situation with synthetic cannabinoids (spice, k2) a decade or so ago.
I could see how you'd make that comparison, but personally I'd argue that the synthetic cannabis shit was far more dangerous. At least with 7-OH, you know what chemical compound you're getting. With Spice it was a complete crapshoot cause the manufacturers would keep rearranging the chemistry in order to get around the DEA ban. Every time you went to the headshop to pick up a tin of that nasty-ass potpourri shit, you never knew what you were getting. At least the 7-OH pills list their ingredients; you didn't get that at all with Spice, beyond a generic "not for human consumption" warning.
But regardless I still would suggest staying far away from the stuff, especially if you have poor impulse control.
That's valid. In some ways it's the opposite situation as k2 because the stuff you're getting in the shop is almost certainly safer than the street drug equivalent at this point in time.
Do keep in mind, though, that having printed ingredients on the package doesn't mean a whole lot. They're still pressed tablets which could contain anything. These types of producers are known for skirting regulations, even adding illicit substances as filler if it makes them a buck. It's easy for these types of products to be contaminated or adulterated, even by a third party. Production equipment can be stolen, packaging and designs can be stolen, copied or forged, etc. The stage is set for all sorts of shenanigans.
I made the parallel because 7-oh is under a higher level of scrutiny by the feds recently, and there is talk of placing it into schedule 1. My fear is that, if that does come to pass, kratom (in all its forms) will be banned as well, which will cause a great deal of harm on its own. That could then spur 7-oh producers/distributors to look for an "equivalent" (to them) product, which almost certainly will carry more harm potential.
7-oh can be extracted from Kratom, but it makes more sense financially to produce it synthetically, and these days almost all of it is synthetic. There's nothing inherently wrong with synthetic products on their own, but when they are banned it's far easier for the whole product category to start down a path which ends up causing far more harm than good, and this is exactly what happened with spice.
When synthetic cannabinoids were initially banned, the ban applied to specific compounds on the market. It did not just go away, chemists simply innovated new compounds. This cycle happened multiple times, and each time the new compounds drifted further away from the original product. They were less stable, more chemically complex iterations that came with more side effects and higher addiction potential.
Existing producers already had the necessary equipment, they just had to switch up their precursory inputs and/or manufacturing process, so they stayed in business, often cutting over to a completely new formula without changing the branding or packaging at all. Much of the harm that came from spice only happened because someone thought they were getting their usual product, were completely unaware it was actually something new, and took the usual dose.
It became cheaper than anything else, and you saw it for sale literally everywhere. So that's how, by 2016-2018ish, the US had a very visible public health issue on its hands, which wouldn't have happened if the feds just left things alone in the first place.
If 7-oh follows a similar path, that could be a much worse crisis. If we do end up banning 7-oh, the best case scenario would be a carve out for kratom (at least the powder and whole leaf forms.) Then, at least, existing users would have a safe off-ramp to transition to, instead of replacing their habit with something worse. I'm optimistic that this is what will happen if the ban comes to pass. The kratom industry has a powerful lobby now, and the American Kratom Association are good people who advocate for education, testing and proper labeling. They would actually be very pleased with a ban on synthetics that left the natural product alone. Kratom itself is just a plant medicine which has a massive net benefit, but it's reputation is harmed by its association with the other products which, for various reasons, do not have the same benefits vs. their risks.