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A British guy, no surprise. Britain is essentially the poster child for internet censorship these days.
"Chat logs, obviously It’s helpful if you do me the honors of merely asking instead of jumping to conclusions"
So, no material, no actual content, just chat rooms, that people can choose to enter, avoid, or leave. You can find similar people in chat rooms literally throughout the whole internet. Yes, people are reported and there is moderation contrary to your false claim.
"Relative to the gen that we’re referencing, please name me at least one person that’s been actually banned for egregious behavior by a moderator"
If you searched this Lemmy forum you could find posts about that very subject. https://lemmy.world/post/49043595
"Someone keeps mass reporting me." - MeowerMisfit817
But according to you there is zero moderation and reports are therefore impossible. I'll take your words and hold you to them.
Do the due diligence of typing your links correctly, it is expected that a reader will simply copy and paste them.
"And what specifically would you like me to provide evidence for? I’ve already literally provided the formal case ID, and witness testimonies; what specifically do you want me to prove?"
If you make the claim that the website is one where people are sharing CSAM and all you have are some dodgy screenshots of chat messages, then no, you have no evidence. The chatters in these chatrooms are anonymous people and you could easily fabricate scenarios by sending these messages. Chatrooms are littered throughout the entirety of the internet and ever since they were created children were warned not to join them. The same is true with VRchat. Are you going to try to shut VRchat down as well?
Perchance has chat rooms, moderation, and report functions. You want this to be an account based website and it is not that type of website as a privately owned website that is not a marketplace there is a certain degree of freedom that it has. The images uploaded are filtered, nsfw chat bots cannot be linked. Where is the CSAM that you claim is on the website?
Have you been paying attention to absolutely anything I’ve been saying? There are entire chat rooms literally filled with the exchange of child sexual material (CSM), child sexual abuse material (CSAM), and footage of other distasteful materials
“ I'm getting sick. Fourth shadowban.”
Which, again, draws back to my primary point
>To add, the automated system in question is again useless in this scenario, given that the bad actors constantly alternate IPs to continue further distribution
Keep in mind, that even if they don’t switch IPs, the shadowbans typically only last for a 3 day interval, allowing them to continue highly illegal activity
Yes, and I’ll absolutely stand firm in this. Hell, ask literally any present in the chatroom at any given time; or ask people who actually fled the original site for proper human moderation (You can find some of them here: https://perchance.org/safe-ai-chat)
I, again, have a physical federal case with the NCMEC; I’ve sent the ID above. That isn’t the only evidence we have. Like I said earlier, multiple users there catalogue clips, direct screenshots, and occasionally report the materials to accredited law agencies in ‘exposed’ channels.
For example, X gets exposed for posting CSM Someone will make a channel called “xexposed” with direct clips, screenshots with censored links, and further background information; along with forcing a DNI rule that rarely ever works
If a creator allows their generator to become a loophole for creating illegal images, internet infrastructure providers (like domain registrars or web hosts) will pull the plug on the entire site to protect themselves from criminal prosecution; which is something entirely unique from Internet intermediaries like VR Chat / Reddit.
What the hell would I get out of fabricating ANY of the information? Where in the photo, do you think it’s fabricated specifically? Do you have evidence to support the notion of fabrication?
As I’ve stated before with the safe-ai-chat gen, you can inquire independently there about others personal experience with the comments of the old gen if you don’t tske my own word
Just because children are not supposed to be there, doesn’t mean they are not; hence why it’s advisable the gen gets deleted or the comments get removed entirely
Ignoring it and becoming a bystander just because the material is widespread is a nonsensical argument. Should the police merely halt cyber-activity given that scammers most likely will persist into the foreseeable future?
AIC has chatrooms, absolutely no moderation, and report functions that are unviable for actual resolution; that you supposedly claim is a proper substitution for human moderation.
I want the site itself to at least be minimally moderated, don’t put words in my mouth.
The images cannot be filtered, the upload module itself has no filter. The most it can do if it encountered anything nsfw, is put an 18+ emoji and remove the https://, which again only happened fairly recently.
I can’t genuinely redirect someone to the specific channel names, given that it’s legally risky, but I’d be more than happy to provide the information to an actual moderator / developer to prove my own point of exchange regarding both csm, csam, and more
"Have you been paying attention to absolutely anything I’ve been saying? There are entire chat rooms literally filled with the exchange of child sexual material (CSM), child sexual abuse material (CSAM), and footage of other distasteful materials"
Is what you claim. That content would be shared with filesharing links like catbox, why would any of you click links from anonymous strangers that you don't know? You have no proof of any footage, you're making claims at this point and honestly it seems like the possible scenario is that people are posting links from other websites that have that content in them, this is a problem that is inherent to chat rooms with anonymous users.
Which, again, draws back to my primary point
No it does not, because it shows that your claim that moderation is entirely absent is a lie. The options in blocking anonymous users are limited, since there are no accounts, only ISPs can be used to block a user, and obviously they can use VPNs. But, this is the risk of any anonymous chatroom or anonymous image board. There are not accounts, people cannot be perma banned by account because the users themselves are largely anonymous. So, yes, there is moderation, but since there are no accounts and the users are anonymous which is an extremely common feature in chatrooms not much can be done to utterly ban a user. Just say that you want accounts. People have to practice caution in this respect, because you are in fact dealing with anonymous users who can post any link in the chat and they will not be found. This has been the risk of chatrooms since forever.
Yes, and I’ll absolutely stand firm in this. Hell, ask literally any present in the chatroom at any given time; or ask people who actually fled the original site for proper human moderation (You can find some of them here: https://perchance.org/safe-ai-chat)
I, again, have a physics, federal case with the NCMEC; I’ve sent the ID above. That isn’t the only evidence we have. Like I said earlier, multiple users there catalogue clips, direct screenshots, and occasionally report the materials to accredited law agencies in ‘exposed’ channels.
You have chat logs, because when I asked you about any material that Perchance was hosting on their side you did not give me any reply that they did. You're talking about anonymous people in chatrooms sending links from filesharing websites that do not care about what they archive on their servers. I am laser focused on the content on the Perchance website, I am not referring to what anonymous strangers are linking in the chatrooms. There are safer options to find friends than anonymous chatrooms. There are a multitude of websites where the users are tracked by accounts and can be perma banned and this website is not an account based website and all of you in the chatrooms have full knowledge that you are talking with anonymous strangers who at most can get ISP banned and you take that risk.
I want the site itself to at least be minimally moderated, don’t put words in my mouth.
How is it putting words in your mouth if you said something that is objectively untrue? If there is entirely no moderation as you claimed, there would not be reports or bans. So, you emotionally lied about it and lying does not make you believable especially when you are making very big claims about this website as a whole no less.
The images cannot be filtered, the upload module itself has no filter. The most it can do if it encountered anything nsfw, is put an 18+ emoji and remove the https://, which again only happened fairly recently.
I've tested the upload filter and had images blocked, so, you are in fact lying again. You do not understand how the website functions, that's obvious. There is a NSFW warning but there is also an upload filter, it will even block uploaded text content at times.
I can’t genuinely redirect someone to the specific channel names, given that it’s legally risky, but I’d be more than happy to provide the information to an actual moderator / developer to prove my own point of exchange regarding both csm, csam, and more
Considering that you have lied a number of times in this thread shows that you are not even trustworthy in general, so, you made a lot of claims, all you have are chat logs. So, I don't know what to make of that. The Dev I am sure has his own opinions about all of this.
They use catbox + the file uploader for distribution usually, so you’re largely correct there. Why are you scrutinizing the adolescents clicking the links, and not the people literally actively distributing them? I do, and like I said earlier, the Case ID from the NCMEC was given; in what world is this a lack of proof? You’re circlejerking back to the SAME arguments, and you’re yet to falsify any of my own. I do have extensive evidence of csm exchanges in literally designated chat rooms; and it’s a mix of both, frankly. I’ve seen people post both AI generated csm and export CSM from elsewhere onto the comment section itself.
Yes, as it is a problem; so is it an immense legal risk, unless you have an alternative which is active moderation; the only viable option is to remove the comments on that specific gen altogether.
***>Any internet service provider or website operator who obtains knowledge of facts or circumstances involving CSAM must immediately report it to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC). ***- 18 U.S.C. § 2258A
So yes, you do have something like that in America. It’s obvious you have little legal knowledge
~I am laser focused on the content on the Perchance website, I am not referring to what anonymous strangers are linking in the chatrooms. There are safer options to find friends than anonymous chatrooms. There are a multitude of websites where the users are tracked by accounts and can be perma banned and this website is not an account based website and all of you in the chatrooms have full knowledge that you are talking with anonymous strangers who at most can get ISP banned and you take that risk.~
And I understand that; but there again, I’ve absolutely met the harden of proof requirements. I’m failing to see your astute mental blockage, what users exchange anonymous or not on the platform; is CSM, and it’s because they link it and exchange it so frequently, that brings severe let’s, issue. Well no shit! What makes you think that any teenager present on the site would tale the alternative, though? As is, we have a safer versions we are already struggling to get everyone aboard too
Section 230 also explicitly does not apply to federal criminal law. A platform owner who is notified of systematic CSAM or grooming behavior in their public chatrooms and actively chooses to ignore it can face severe federal criminal liability for facilitating or harboring illicit content
Dismissing a formal federal tracking case as "baseless" because the forum users themselves can't see the underlying backend database shows a total ignorance of how cyber-crime investigations function
This, is a lie. Please, send a screenshot where the images you uploaded were rejected by the filter. Spend less time leveraging your “knowledge” on the site, and more time trying to reason with my own arguments.
Considering that you have failed to prove I have lied a number of times in this thread shows that you are not even trustworthy in general. I have chat logs, federal case files, and images I can send to the dev is the burden of proof is asked, yet again.
Just pray the dev sees this shit mate
I am not your mate. That is a queer thing to say to me. Find a lady, find a woman to be your mate. You are making the claims, so the burden of proof lies with you. My experience with the filter is that I have personally had images and lore books blocked because of their content. Users have talked about that on Reddit and probably on this Lemmy forum too. I did not make the claims that the website has no moderation and no filter on uploads. I've taken citations from the forums before to disprove your false claim about the moderation and I will keep an eye out for people who have had NSFW file uploads filtered, it's honestly not my responsibility to do research on your behalf whilst you make definite claims about how the website functions.
Missing the point award 🥇
Again, send a screenshot that clearly shows outright blockage of said materials and again, please provide evidence of recent moderation on the gen we’ve been debating about for the last day
Also, I wasn’t the first person to mention this either
You’re yet to prove anything relevant to current claims, frankly
Again, also a few more user testimonies on SAIC (https://perchance.org/safe-ai-chat) where the majority of the original inhabitants of AIC had fled
You in all seriousness, cannot merely look at this having witnessed the reported media itself; and dismiss it with a “but just close the tab!!!!!!” ; just as you can’t claim this is apparently falsified with absolutely no external reporting / investigation on your end.
What’s going on in that chatroom is completely unacceptable, and it should, be every legal means, be removed