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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

No. The socialist movement is not growing.

The democratic socialist movement is growing.

I'll leave you with my standard disclaimer:

Socialism refers to collective ownership of the means of production. Social democracy refers to a capitalist market economy supplemented by welfare programs, labor protections, and public services. The two terms are not interchangeable despite frequent misuse on the internet. You are describing and advocating for social democracy not socialism.

https://youtube.com/shorts/zMmjKRettxA

[–] Teepo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why does this post start talking about democratic socialism then link to a description of social democracy? Those are not the same thing.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In America, liberalism is called leftism, leftism is called fascism, and fascism is called bipartisan common-sense politics.

The nuances between Social democracy and Democratic socialism never stands a chance in public discourse.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The difference between social democracy and Democratic socialism is the same as the difference between Catholicism and protestantism.

Both in effect. Advocate for severe corporate limitations and an abundance of social welfare programs. Which I'm 100% behind. By the way, they totally support either one of these political statements.

[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

You literally said Democratic Socialism and linked a quote contrasting Socialism (generally) to Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialism.

[–] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dem soc =/= Soc dem

Democratic socialists are socialists, social democrats are not.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

In a sense yes. Both Burnie and AOC describ themselves as democratic socialists but neither of them have ever advocated for the public ownership of production like in pure socialism. They have always supplimented they're political views along with democracy.

So simple calling them socialists is incorrect. Also keep in mind that both of them are part of the DNC.

Edit: Bernie Sanders is registered as an independent and AOC is not part of the DNC.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bernie's actually not part of the DNC. He is registered as an independent.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

This is correct. I stand correct.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I believe neither of them are part of the DNC. They do caucus with the Democrats because the other option is the Republicans.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You may be correct. They both have always thrown their hats and with the Democrats now as far as I can tell anyway.

[–] vimdiesel@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

they have no choice. Being in a legislature requires compromise, or you can be 1 term idealistic representative who achieves nothing during your term.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago
[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Leave it to the USA to name two completely unrelated things the same name, because it hates both equally and doesn't distinguish either.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Don't even get me started dude.

The word, social socialism socialist in the English language means so many different things and have so many distinct definitions. No layperson can possibly keep up with it it's crazy.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At this point, I'm just celebrating because I would take even democratic socialism in this country at this point. Also, I guarantee the majority of people aren't gonna care to distinguish the 2, sadly.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Agreed and most don't which is why I have a disclaimer to start with.