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Yeah just don't fall into the old mistake of weather = climate. Heat waves happened before climate change as well. But our current changing climate makes them more likely to happen more often and more intense, if I am informed correctly.
It's not high summer, and 40C is crazy. This is climate chang. Saying it's weather is oil propaganda.
Its not one or the other, that's overly simplistic. Using this one data point to "prove" climate change is about as honest as someone bringing a snowball into congress to prove it's fake.
You need both to prove a sustainable point, otherwise it's forgotten with the next cold snap. This is one extreme data point, and it helps to showcase the problem, but it is not the only one. Use it as part of a whole, not as a singular showcase.
Thats my interpretation of OPs comment.
Idk when record-breaking high temperatures are showing up weekly I think they stop being "extreme" data points
Outliers aren't outliers anymore when all the measurements are in that range
That they're outliers of what has been the norm for centuries is the entire point. Saying "this is the new normal" is, as you might surmise, normalizing it.
I mean, it is the new normal? None of us (hopefully) want it to be, but it's the reality we have to deal with, unless the laws of physics that make thermometers work suddenly changed and no one noticed
It looks like you both basically agree
If you have many outliers in rather small interval they stop being outliers and indicate a trend.
I get what you’re saying. And you’re right. It about “how often”
Lemmy users falling for the same logical fallacies they laugh at others for using challenge: impossible.
A single datapoint doesn't prove anything, but a pattern of change that can be proven to be influenced separately from typical weather variation does. Like it or not, it would also have to be proven that the pattern is being caused by something distinct from global climate patterns.
For the record, I firmly believe climate change is real, I just hate when people I agree with try using the same dumb arguments as the people I disagree with.
Yes.
Look up how many heatwaves happened in France during the 20th century, and how many happened in the last 10 years. Yes, weather on any single day is not climate, but we are quite past "oh heatwaves happened before".
Not just heat waves, average has also increased - https://showyourstripes.info/s/europe/france/all
We are projected to potentially have the warmest day ever recorded in Denmark this weekend, I would call that a direct sign of climate change.
At what point does constant heat records and deadly heatwaves move from 'weather' to 'climate'? 10 years? 20?