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[–] stretch2m@infosec.pub -1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

As long as we have this broken first-past-the-post electoral system, I will vote blue, no matter what. When we have something better (proportional representation, for example), I will entertain more nuanced parties. Until then, at least the D leaders haven't actively dismantled democracy.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

the D leaders haven't actively dismantled democracy.

they regularly sue to keep green party candidates off of ballots, denying people the choice to vote for someone else. they also argued they don't need to respect the votes even within their own party.

[–] SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

A study from 20 years ago by Princeton University says that voters have zero impact on policy or politicians. Democrat leaders are actively dismantling to democracy otherwise that study will not have shown as such.

[–] SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So you want everyone else to do the work and when that job is finished you will hop on our bandwagon and proclaim you always supported us?

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can be working towards voter reform and be voting for Democrats at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive.

[–] SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So your plan is to work towards voter reform while supporting the politicians that do not want voter reform?

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm sure some Democrats would like it, there's people who run on that platform. It's better than letting Republicans win at least.

[–] SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world -2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, so you're a moderate and think both sides are the same, got it

[–] SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

No, I'm a communist that sees your parties from the outside, their differences are superficial and their similarities are vast

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I’m sure some Democrats would like it,

They might claim to. They'll find the no votes.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

As opposed to the Republicans who would never go for voter reform?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Republicans do what they run on.

Democrats don't.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not "hopping on the bandwagon", with the way your election system is rigged, there are only two options for a lot of places, anything else is a wasted vote

If you got rid of the Electoral Colleges and the FPP then suddenly it's not a wasted vote

[–] SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And you know what changes first past the post? Democrats getting off their ass and voting for actual nondemocrat or socialist candidates. If they are pushed past the post by Democrats, then they win. It's as simple as that. Trying to reform a party that is operating exactly as designed will always lead to failure

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, all that will do is make republicans win in former Dem safehouses

You woefully underestimate how much the deck is intentionally stacked against everyone but the big two

[–] SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

then their party needs to work harder to EARN those votes

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yes! Genius!

Why has nobody thought of that before???

Oh wait... they have. It was found to not work unless you're in a "safe" voting block, and if you're living anywhere with any amount of swing to it, you INSTEAD make the party you hate win.

[–] SaltyAmerican@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Cool, but one is trying to destroy your rights quickly, putting people into camps, and treating LGBTQ as monsters.

one is trying to do it slowly, not putting people in camps, and it's pretty chill with LGBTQ, which is better?

The latter!