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[–] philanthropicoctopus@thelemmy.club 14 points 18 hours ago (3 children)
[–] TheDuke@europe.pub 54 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Record breaking heat waves, record breaking storms in strength, flash floods, food shortages - all the good stuff.

Thank god we switched to paper straws and let the ultra rich use their private jets 5 times a day, or we would be really fucked.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 16 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (4 children)

You know paper straws were introduced to limit littering? We simply don't need that much single use plastics in the environment.

It's funny how people keep complaining they were forced to do this one little thing to help stop climate change that was never even supposed to stop it.

"The ultra rich did nothing while I bitched about every policy that would somehow affect me. So unfair!"

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Did you know that paper straws were in use decades or more before plastic straws were invented. The plastic ones really weren't used until the 80s.

[–] TheDuke@europe.pub 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

It was obviously a cynical joke.

Also, it's not about the straws per se - it's about that us everyday normies are being asked to change our ways to combat climate change and I'm totally in favor of that. We have to be more aware of our ways and where we can switch our behaviours to combat climate change.

But all it needs is an ultra rich dude flying around in his private jet or spend weeks on his yacht driving around and all our efforts become meaningless.

Change the little guy, for sure - but also grab the rich fucks by their balls as well. And so far nothing like that is happening.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

why have straws at all? why have cups? let's go back to a time when we used clay cups and bowls.

I prefer my cherry garcia mt dew megawatt slushie the way nature intended it, from the teat of a goat into a stoneware mug.

[–] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 11 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Plastic anything is dumb and straws in general are too (minus for the elderly, disabled etc). Truly I don't think the majority of people bringing it up really care that much about straws and more so about the inequality and damage caused by a class out of control flying jets like cars expecting everyone else to carry the burden, however that may manifest.

[–] FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Im straight up fucking outraged over paper straws (everyone that can should just drink out of the cup). But also, fuck the billionaires.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes but if people bitch that much about straws imagine how much they would bitch if you tried to do anything meaningful like limit beef consumption or long distance flying. If you even mention anything like that as a recommendation ("experts say eating more than 10kg of beef per day is not sustainable") people freak out ("they want us to eat bugs!!!1").

I get it that people expect the rich to sacrifice first but the sad fact is they have the real power and can fight any attempts to limit their emissions. NY mentioned taxing private jets and they immediately came up with plans to move to chartering and change residency. You tax them in NY and they escape to stupid Texas because for them it's easy. So people basically say "we're not going to agree to anything that affects us until you achieve the impossible task of completely changing the entire system" and nothing gets done. We have been stuck in this "all or nothing" standoff for decades and it looks like we will be stuck until everything collapses.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think people are limited to bitching about one thing at a time, so we definitely shouldn't hold back the discussion of unsustainable meat production until they're done bitching about straws.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's not about how many things people bitch about. It's about the pushback any environmental policy is facing from people. If people bitch for years and years about straws imagine how will they react to something significant like limiting beef. Those grievances are what populists use to gain power. If you push too hard people will vote you out and revert all progress (like Trump). So we're stuck because no one is willing to sacrifice anything and you can't really force anyone.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

In my opinion that's a band aid that has to come off.

We shouldn't take the high road to avoid backlash. The populists are going to go lower regardless of where we set the bar. This is how it has already gotten so low that we're even debating straws.

We should set the bar much much higher, so they can bitch and moan about hundreds of issues instead of finding unity in single issues like straws.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 10 hours ago

I'm all for it but unfortunately majority of people would vote out any politician that proposes something like that. And politicians know it.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Like I get the rest, but everytime someone brings up the paper straw argument they seem like an asshole.

Not only because the reason wasn't directly tied to climate change (it was because straws in the ocean would choke animals etc), but because it's still something positive for the environment. Like yeah eliminating the rich would obviously be better, but complaining about the straws is still complaining about getting to do something good.

It kinda still makes it sound like you'd act no differently like a billionaire does in regards to pollution of you had the money, because if switching to paper straws is THAT annoying to you after all these damn years, why wouldn't you be the kind person who takes a private jet instead of a short drive?

Like, it's something you and the ultra rich probably both complain about, even though it's something good for the environment. Think about that.

[–] TheDuke@europe.pub 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

It was a joke and you make a lot of assumptions on someone you dont know.

I don't mind paper straws. I don't mind taking the train or public transport instead of a car or plane. I don't mind paying more for green energy. But I complain about the ultra rich not carrying their fair share. They do not care at all, even though their footprint is bigger than mine and yours combined will ever be, and that is very frustrating to say the least.

[–] hyperfeddit@feddit.online 0 points 12 hours ago

Its another marketing method to shift responsibility to the consumer. Like the carbon footprint. How are straws getting in the ocean anyway

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

i remember the last big el nino. the river i guided that year, some of the houses were in new spots.

[–] magnue@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Good news for Russia.