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What would be your opinion on a lemmy/piefed instance that's run like Athen democracy? (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 hours ago by cinoreus@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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Experimental thought, but something I want to do in near future.

Basically admins and mods are selected sortitionally( randomly) from people who apply.

All admins and mods have fixed term limits.

Existence of Mod or Admin trials where a public chat(court) decides consequences for their actions, if they misbehave, could lead to

Ever since I learnt about the sortition system, I was incredibly curious how it would work irl, hence this idea.

Look, I am not going to claim this is a solution to anything, till ones actually up and running I think it's hard to say which direction it will go. But still, I want your opinion on it.

On How to encourage people to mod a community?

By making mod duty easy for them, have small term limits, and in those term limits they only have to work for 4/3 days a week. Term could be just few weeks. Also get lot more mods and give them specific time slots beyond which they are vastly not needed unless an emergency.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

It's possible but will be very easy to manipulate by people making alts and sockpuppets. You'd need a way to verify individuals.

The Fediverse Anarchist Flotilla is already experimenting with this sort of radical democracy, through our regular governance threads and our radical admin recalls but we have to rely on paid supporters and individually vouched people to stave manipulation.

Anyway, people can already repurpose the threativore which is the bot that enables this voting to handle the extra stuff you suggest and give it a try.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 1 points 50 minutes ago

Cryptographic IDs? Doesn't work for everyone in the voting process but it could be a useful way to make sure mod x is whintheybsay they are

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 56 minutes ago

Democracy is when people pay to gain the right to vote

[–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks! You're an instance admin too I believe. Yes the idea is very close to anarchism, but Athens used sortition on top of it for day to day work.

Do you think the admin recalls and governance threads are working well, and haven't been abused? Also I don't find the fediverse instance you said, is it the same as dbzer0?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The FAF is a confederation of instances which ultimately act as one. /0 is one of them yes.

Until now our democracy seems to be working well.

[–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Gives me confidence!

So, someone pointed out, there's always someone who's paying for the server costs and they might not like paying for instance someone else is running, what would be your take on that? Is there a way to tackle that issue?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

That's what the FAF is for. We have multiple instances with the same admins, rules, defederations etc to hedge against rogue sysadmins.

[–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 1 points 54 minutes ago

Thanks. I'll think over everything you said. It does look like my instance could be eligible as a companion instance if executed well enough. Regarding alt accounts, I feel one must at least contribute somewhere on the instance to participate..... Yeah it's gonna be a tough problem to crack, and also the one other user pointed out, about funding. For an initial period I may run the pilot project, but when admins themselves aren't stable, it's going to create some problems.

Thanks for your feedback. I'll think over it