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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 day ago (5 children)

This is a humourous explanation of the undoing of Pascal's Wager. Pascal's Wager implies there's only one god (the one the speaker believes in) and the wager is that it's safer to bet on the god and be wrong than to bet against it and be wrong. So if Christianity is the only religion in the world and every Christian agrees 100% on how the religion works, then the wager makes sense. However, when you realise there are thousands of gods, and a great many of them which have claimed a role in creation, then the wager falls apart.

As for Klingon religion, it's as safe a bet as any of them. I mean who's to say Stovokor isn't real. Okay, it's heavily based on Norse mythology (but way more metal!), but Christianity is based on a bunch of older religions, too. They pretty much all are, the ones people know the names of anyway. I'm not saying it's not fine to believe in one, it's just illogical to judge someone for not believing.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's illogical

That about sums up religion I think.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Thank you. My made up religion takes seashells down by the seashore

[–] hikaru755@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Well that's easily solved though, just pick the religion that promises the worst punishment for non-believers, then!

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also: what if the real gods don't have issues with atheists, but do take issue with praying to false gods? The expected value suddenly clearly shows atheism to be the best answer.

That's a good point. As a lifelong Atheist, I've always wondered, if [your] God is good, He should value goodness. Blind faith is not, in and of itself, good. Being a good person shouldn't be predicated upon whether or not you believe in one specific god. I'm saying God should judge your deeds, not your words, because look at how many "Christians" go to church to be "born again" and will, not five minutes later, cut you off in traffic risking an accident, just knowing that they're "saved" and will go to Heaven if they die, and fuck whatever you got going on. If you've ever driven by a church on Sunday around noon, you know what I'm talking about. Sunday Christians is absolutely a thing. And it's not just Sunday, it's the time they're in that building, if that, and at no time else.

But Christians will tell you deeds and good intentions are not enough, you have to pick one very specific and narrow view of God and you have to be right. That doesn't make sense to me. If you can be a bad person and still be saved because you prayed to the right god but you were a dick to everyone in life, but a good person can't be saved because they prayed to the wrong god or to no god... that's not an eternity I'd want to live in, nor the kind of people I would want to spend it with.

Here's the real thing though: as an Atheist who tries to be a good person, if I happened to be walking down a dark alley and saw a grown man trying to SA a child, I'm going to kick his ass and get the child to safety. At the very least I'm going to break a few ribs kicking him in the side, then I'm gonna stomp him a few times when he's down, so he doesn't get up and give chase. To me, this isn't even a question — I think even some shitty people would do that, just because it's the right thing to do. Meanwhile, God is supposedly omniscient (can see all) and omnipotent (unlimited power), so he sees all CSA and many of those children are praying to Jesus (or some god) for help and God isn't doing anything? That's not a god I want to worship. Show me the god who uses his or her powers for good and prove they exist and I will follow. But wait, it gets worse. The girl who was SA'd doesn't get the help she needs, so she takes her own life — straight to Hell, according to most Christians. However, the guy who did it got caught and "reformed" in prison, so he goes to Heaven when he dies? Her family never sees her again (assuming they go to Heaven) but the person who ruined and ultimately took her life is there with them for eternity, and they just accept his apology and forgive him? Nah, fuck that.

[–] Phantaloons@piefed.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Which itself falls apart to pantheism.

I went around that circle with my theist friends. It took all of five seconds for someone to go, "Some believe we give differing names to the same entity.", or that the "Gods" themselves are just evidence of his bleed into our reality and are at best, human descriptions of the divine.

Yeah, the argument didn't last much longer after that hail-mary.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I like the explanation from Eric the Viking, the gods are only real for those who believe in them and don't exist for those who don't.