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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 27 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

What people aren't realizing is that MAGA may well have screwed themselves worse, especially in such a hostile political environment as this one.

Before all this redistricting, it was going to be a bloodbath, not just because EVERY Dems is going to vote against MAGA, but a lot of Republicans are as well. Even more aren't going to vote at all.

None of that has changed. In fact, the dishonest gerrymandering is going to make many people even angrier and more determined. They can gerrymander all they want, but the votes don't go away.

Take Tennessee, for example, in which they eliminated the single Democratic district - but they didn't get rid of the votes. They just spread them across 3 other strong Republican districts, weakening them badly. In a normal year, it might not be anything to worry about, but in a year in which the waters are flowing hard AGAINST the Traitors, it could easily lead to 3 districts going Blue, instead of just one.

Always remember this one important axiom of MAGA: they are profoundly ignorant, and virtuosically incompetent. They fuck up literally everything they contact, and they will fuck this up, too. The real problem is that we have to have leaders that will pounce on those inevitable mistakes, and exploit the shit out of them. We can't be polite, and say "Oh, MAGA stumbled, let's help them back up," we have to kick them when they are down, then drop a giant rock on their head.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They can gerrymander all they want, but the votes don't go away.

Are you sure you know how gerrymandering works?

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Gerrymandering dilutes both sides' votes by making smaller majorities and larger minorities to favor one side.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

well, no. "well done" gerrymandering dilutes only one side's votes, that is why republicans love it.

notice the disproportionate results in top right corner. the votes literally went away...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/DifferingApportionment.svg

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

But it doesn't weaken only one side. They may have gotten rid of ONE Democratic district, but they severely WEAKENED THREE Republican districts. That's the kind of thing that can backfire badly in a bloodbath election.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago

Never thought of that, lets hope you are right.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

How is only one side diluted here? Out of five districts, there are two districts with a single yellow vote (diluted to half as much as proportional), and three with four blue votes (also diluted to 2/3 as much as proportional).

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The assumption is that some purple voters will turn blue.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

That's irrelevant to the context here.

[–] DillDough@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The biggest issue America faces right now is the sheer number of people who still think rules, laws, and logic apply (they barely did in the first place but it's fully gone now). This administration, Israel, all the pedos, and all the oligarchs will not stop just because people vote against them. You cannot beat authoritarians with the system, you cannot beat them with laws, you cannot beat them with the truth, literally the only thing that can work against authoritarians is extreme violence against them.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 4 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

We may get to that point, but we still have to work our way through all of our legal, Constitutional steps first. If we get to the point that they have thwarted every legal means, then it will be time to move to violence.

"Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Has there been any case in history where a fascist dictatorship ended by voting them out? People need to accept the reality that a fascist takeover is happening

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 0 points 5 hours ago

It just happened in Hungary after 16 years of Orban. The Soviet Union countries all fell with a minimum of violence. There weren't official votes, but the people made their choices very clear, and most countries accepted it, even Russia. Those that didn't, like Ceaucescu in Romania, met a bad end.

Sometimes a dictator realizes that he doesn't have a choice, and makes the smart decision. Other times their ego does the thinking, and it doesn't go so well. Guess which one Trump and the rest of his psycho henchmen will choose?Hint: they aren't known for SMART decisions.

[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Whoa, be careful, with quotes like that you might be considered a domestic terrorist /s

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

The violence comes when it is needed most.

In retrospect it will have been tardy.

[–] Stitch0815@feddit.org 20 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I really hope you are right.

Because the alternative seems not just dark but pitch black

[–] sol6_vi@lemmy.makearmy.io 2 points 7 hours ago
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

MAGAs are frequently wrong, but NEVER in doubt. They are BLUFFING. They are ALWAYS bluffing.

You are under no obligation to believe anything they say. In fact, if you are a patriotic American citizen, you have an obligation to ignore everything they say, for many reasons:

  • They lie about everything
  • They are mind-bogglingly stupid
  • They NEVER know what they are talking about.
  • They get ALL their information from their own Conservative Propaganda Machine, i.e: they sniff their own farts.
  • They don't know anything about anything, and they get their advice and strategies from the same people. All they care about, and know about, is money, literally nothing else.
  • They have all the confidence of a guy declaring their perfect health, as a piano is literally dropping out of the sky above them.
  • They are always bluffing, count on it.

Why would you believe anything that these proven morons say? They're MORONS, do you really think they can do anything right? Their best strategy is to try to scare you into surrendering, and all you have to do is ignore them.

They may enjoy sniffing their own farts, but we don't have to.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I was kinda thinking about the point you made about the gerrymandering might bite them in the ass. Texas announced they were doing it and I thought the districts were already somewhat gerrymandered. How far can you min/max that setup before your repub+ districts are so razor thin that you lose more than you gain in a high turnout vote? I'm sure someone smart did math but if it's maga math then I expect it to be wrong.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 3 points 11 hours ago

There is another nuance to midterm redistricting that doesn't get considered: Time.

Districts are normally redrawn following the Census, which is done every 10 years, based on those current demographics. As the decade goes on, those demographics change, as new neighborhoods are built, populations shift, etc. Also, the people themselves change. A person who answers the census at 20, is a very different person than who answers the Census at 30.

So when they redraw the districts deep into the decade, they are doing it based on old, inaccurate data, and they are not going to get the precise response they are expecting. Add to that, the variable that special election results show that Trump is underwater far worse than polls are showing, badly losing elections in districts that had been strong MAGA and Trump supporters in the past.

These districts are being redrawn based on old data, and while it definitely skews things in their favor, it isn't the slam dunk they think it is, for multiple reasons. Mostly, MAGA's confidence that this situation saves the House and Senate for them is all show. Don't let them get you down. All it means is that they are going to cry and scream even louder when they lose.

And in 2031, when they redraw the districts following the 2030 census, Blue states should do everything they can do eliminate as many Red districts as possible. Fuck those pedophile traitors.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

If any of their gerrymandering schemes fail because of what you describe, the Republicans will claim that Dems must have cheated, and refuse to accept it. Like this time, I think actually refuse to honor the results.

They know that they simply cannot lose power, and I believe we are going to see as-yet unseen levels of fuckery to that end.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Oh, absolutely, "They Cheated" is their standard response to any loss. The problem is that Dems then take that claim seriously, and want to have a discussion and investigation about it, giving it credibility, instead of just saying "Go fuck yourselves."

Let them scream, who cares? If we win the House, then we control it whether they like it or not. Any MAGA politician who refuses to allow new Dem Reps enter the Capitol should be immediately arrested, and if they resist, treat them the way they like to treat prisoners.

If they won't turn it over, we will take it. Violence is entirely up to them.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, the "both sides" crowd will blow it again

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe -1 points 11 hours ago

If they do, it's YOUR fault. They are politicians, so they are inherently lazy and greedy, and if you give send them the message that you expect them to do nothing, and you will accept it, that's exactly what they will do, and go back to their insider trading.

Instead, we should all be sending the constant message that we expect them to finally do their fucking jobs, or else. Or else we will primary them, and if they still won't work for us, we will investigate them, and throw them in the dungeon with the MAGA traitors. If you aren't with us, you're against us, and that goes for voters and politicians.

So knock it off with letting them off the hook. We should be threatening them with their jobs, and making the Dems fear us as much as the MAGAs.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world -2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. The fact of the matter is that when the polls open these people will walk in and vote like they always have.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 6 points 11 hours ago

That statement is proven wrong by the dozens of special elections that have shown a serious downturn in MAGA voter participation.

Stop declaring the race over, and stop discouraging Democrats from voting, unless you're a MAGA Traitor.

[–] GenChadT@infosec.pub 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I legitimately don't give a shit anymore. After watching over 10 years of Trump taking a shit on top of the country and all the working class people cheering for him, across all forms of media I have finally given up. I'll still bitch about how moronic and self-serving this MAGA cult is, I'll still vote in every election against them, but I cannot in good conscience try and continue with the platitudes and positive outlook on the future. In fact a part of me hopes the Democrats lose again and give the GOP even greater control - it seems that's where everything's going anyways. Besides, I think many of us know what happens the moment Democrats take majority control of the House and Senate.

Actual oversight comes into play, real investigations begin, and this house of cards filled with fraud and scams propping up what's left of the economy collapses entirely. Who gets the blame? It's not the Republicans and conservatives, they will never accept the tiniest shred of responsibility for any of this. No they'll do the same shit they did to Obama after the 2008 election when he inherited the last generation's conservative scam economy. Blame democrats and progressives and leftists for all their problems. It'll work, because the idiot demographic in this country with the collective attention span of a betta fish enjoys an undefeatable majority and grows all the time, and they'll win even more strongly in the following election. So I'm done.

Let the fucking moron self-righteous MAGAt assholes control everything and burn it all down, let them die because their local hospitals closed due to lack of Medicaid funding, their children to Measles and their infants to Vitamin K deficiencies because they're all so willfully ignorant they think basic medicine is the devil. Let their communities become filled with the products of a dysfunctional criminal justice and rehabilitation system. Let them go homeless and destitute because AI took their jobs, and all the welfare programs that could've helped keep them on their feet were destroyed to enable Elon Musk to become the world's first trillionaire. I say all of that in the hopes that with the right wing in clear, uncontestable control of the entire country, maybe they'll finally be unable to weasel out of some form of responsibility for their many crimes against humanity and against the working class people of this country and the world. However the truth is, I think that even if every progressive politician in America disappeared tomorrow, in 10 years' time they'd still be blamed for 100% of issues in society.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 12 hours ago

I understand how black representation, and safe districts, makes incumbents in those districts angry when taken away. Broader power though comes from majority, and past GOP gerrymandering has indeed focused on making 99% dem/black districts so as to make more 55% GOP districts. This is actually the path to both corrupt fascist power monopoly, and increased divisiveness with low voter turnout. Generally, black representation is a distraction for serving other agenda. Obama won due to zionist supremacist establishment approval. Tim Scott is GOP insider with GOP/Zionist first agenda that ignores black issues.

The point is that black representation doesn't change anything. Like Chuck Schumer, their job is to gaslight the blacks into supporting Israel.

Mixed districts does promise less divisiveness. GOP candidates can't be all in on KKK/Palantir genocide of all undesirables, or ICE siege of Memphis, when they need Memphis voters too.

Memphis voter turnout can now make a huge difference in Tenessee congressional representation, and Israel/DNC first cooption less important than Tenessee/Memphis relevant issues/harmony.