The Maven Smart System is the platform that came out of those exercises, and it, not Claude, is what is being used to produce “target packages” in Iran.

[–] subnormal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Anthropic's AI did data analysis for Project Maven, which was a system that used data analyzed by various sources to target a school. So the AI is part of the "kill-chain" no?

[–] ivn@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I suggest you read the article.

The AI underneath the interface is not a language model, or at least the AI that counts is not. The core technologies are the same basic systems that recognise your cat in a photo library or let a self-driving car combine its camera, radar and lidar into a single picture of the road, applied here to drone footage, radar and satellite imagery of military targets. They predate large language models by years. Neither Claude nor any other LLMs detects targets, processes radar, fuses sensor data or pairs weapons to targets. LLMs are late additions to Palantir’s ecosystem. In late 2024, years after the core system was operational, Palantir added an LLM layer – this is where Claude sits – that lets analysts search and summarise intelligence reports in plain English. But the language model was never what mattered about this system.

[–] subnormal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. I never said it was an LLM. It was probably some custom AI system made by Anthropic.

Are we agreed that some Anthropic AI system (not necessarily the Claude LLM) was in the kill chain? That was what I was trying to say from the beginning.

[–] ivn@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Well you'll need to source your claim. The wiki article you linked only mention Claude.

The Anthropic contract is also quite recent compared to Maven creation.

[–] subnormal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

My sources are already linked in my two earlier comments. What about them are you disputing?

I don't see how the recency matters. That Anthropic was not involved in bombings conducted by the US military in previous years does not absolve them of their involvement in the bombing of the school in Minab.

[–] ivn@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They only mention Claude, where is the source that "some custom AI system made by Anthropic", not a LLM, "was in the kill chain"?

I mean, I get that you want to tie Anthropic to this, I don't like them either but we should stay factual and avoid filling the gaps with some "probably". It's also counterproductive as Maven and Palantir are huge menaces and this shift the blame away from them.

[–] subnormal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

You're the one saying it's not the Claude LLM doing the targeting. Your source is that Guardian article you linked.

I don't care if it's an LLM or some other thing made by Anthropic. Anthropic is involved in this. All the sources in this conversation so far indicate so. Or are you trying to argue that they are just supplying Palantir and Project Maven for wholly innocent purposes?

Pointing out Anthropic's involvement in the killing of 120 students does not in any way shift blame away from Palantir and Maven. Of course there are information gaps regarding how exactly the AI was involved. No remotely competent military would make all these information public.

[–] ivn@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 2 points 1 hour ago

I'm just saying that, as far as we know, the Anthropic contract is about Claude and the targeting is not made by a LLM.

[–] Epp@lemmus.org 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That's one way to spin it.

My take on it is that it was used inappropriately, and when the fascists wanted it tailored for that abhorrent use, Anthropic refused, and in retaliation the fascists banned it for ANY use, so now Anthropic is suing to allow the sane to continue using it for it's appropriate uses.

[–] subnormal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What sane use? And how does this company plan to prevent the fascists from using it to kill another 120 children?

The only not-evil move is to not sell dual-use goods to fascists in the first place.

[–] Epp@lemmus.org 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You seriously can't think of any sane use? How about categorizing large amounts of data. Brainstorming strategies for problem solving. Converting pseudo code to actual code. Troubleshooting error messages. I mean, there are dozens upon dozens of valid uses that harm no one.

How does Bic plan to prevent murderers from stabbing people with their pens? How does Toyota plan to stop drivers from committing vehicular manslaughter? How does Hewlett-Packard plan on preventing fascists from saving manifestos? How does Apple plan on preventing sexual criminals from taking pictures of their victims?

What's that? Companies don't need to accomplish impossible tasks to have a viable product? I guess it's only AI that has insurmountable demands placed on them by reactionaries.

The only not-evil move is to sit in a cave using sticks, once the trees figure out how to keep cavemen from beating their children with them.

[–] subnormal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 hours ago

I wasn't clear. What I meant was: what sane things could a fascist military use AI for?

"Reactionary" lmao. My friend, I use LLMs all the time. Just not the proprietary ones from companies that are in bed with fascists.