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I hear this claim a fair bit, admittedly often in communist spaces.

It is said that any group of people bigger than 50-200 people "requires" hierarchy.

I'm not sure about that.

What do anarchists make of this?

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[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's fair.

The question of minority rights comes to mind. It's not really a collective interest for cishet people to support gay rights.

Although some argue that it is and that liberation requires everyone to be free, and there may be some truth to that, the fact is that in practice, this is not what most people believe or feel towards discriminated minorities.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

If your governing system requires consensus it does. Besides without coercive violence even if people dislike you being gay personally they can't e.g. imprison you for it.

It's not like heirachies have worked out well for queer people. The USSR persecuted queer people, almost all "liberal democracies" have (the state made me get steralised to not have my ID all say "please bully me and do violence to me thanks!"), Cuba only recently became more accepting.

Meanwhile there are more anarchic societies that have or have had social roles for queer people, or tolerated it just fine.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't the government structure work on majority rule?

Anarchic societies exist/have existed? In recent times I mean, not back when we were hunter-gatherers or something.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 53 minutes ago

There are many ways you can structure governance. It's just how you decide to do stuff collectively. In certain contexts (such as in crisis) you might choose to follow orders from one person, for example the lead firefighter. Generally for decisions which are not time-critical simple majority is pretty poor and often leads to polarised and ineffective decisions.

Anarchists tend to favour consensus, with voting as a backup if consensus fails

Anarchic societies exist/have existed? In recent times I mean, not back when we were hunter-gatherers or something.

All societies have some anarchism in them, they can't function without it. Think community programs like buy nothing, classes, repair sheds, disaster relief efforts etc. Some societies have been more anarchic than others, David Graeber and David Wengrow cover some of how authority and power have been handled in their book The Dawn of Everything, mostly in the Americas where large and less heirarchical nations existed before colonisation (and some super hierarchical ones too). It would be a good jumping off point for finding more research via the citations.