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[–] TheOctonaut@piefed.zip 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think you know what the word "targeted" means

[–] stephen01king@piefed.zip 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think you get what a megaton bomb is.

[–] TheOctonaut@piefed.zip 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I do.

It would level a few city blocks, hurt people for around 12km.

Much better then to let a country perform a 'slow nuke', right?

Israel dropped 25 megatons of explosives on Palestine in the first month of the war. It dropped 36 megatons on Tehran in the first week of this war.

While we hum and haw about your ex and other people that you place value on, more of the people you don't place value on die and suffer endlessly.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Megaton literally means "with the explosive power of 1 million tons of TNT".

Now, the American Mark 84 air-dropped bomb (the so-called 2000lb bomb, which is the biggest that the US has provided to Israel) has a warhead of 429 Kg, which if filled with Tritional - which is equivalent to an 1.18x amount of TNT in explosive power - has thus an explosive power of 506 Kg of TNT, or roughly 1/2 a ton. (source)

This is the largest common use US air-dropped bomb (and air-dropped bombs naturally have a larger payload than cruise missiles since they're little more than explosive payload plus a shell).

Now, per this, the US had by the end of June 2024 sent over 14,000 2000lb bombs to Israel. That's around 5000 tons equivalent of TNT (or 0.005 megatons).

It would take 2 million 2000lb bombs - or 142x times the 2000lb bombs the US had sent to Israel by end of June 2024 - to add up to a single megaton of explosive power, 50 million 2000lb bombs to add up to 25 megatons.

Even if all the smaller bombs and cruise missiles added up to 10x the explosive power of all the 2000lb bombs, Israel would still need to acquire 14x times that to add up to a single megaton of explosive power.

So by all indications your estimation of the explosive power dropped by Israel in Gaza is off by at least 10x, probably 100x, whilst the one for Tehran is probably of by 1000x.

[–] TheOctonaut@piefed.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why on earth are your estimates based only on bombs sent specifically by the US, specifically since the start of the war?

You did so much useless maths based on such a ridiculous premise.

Do you think Israel started the war without a stockpile of weapons? Or are you one of these Americans who thinks Palestine sprung into existence on October 7th?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Those are the single biggest bombs around and the US is the single biggest supplier around.

Feel free to explain how Israel could get hold of an extra 3550x worth of the equivalent of those biggest conventional bombs they got from the US for the supposed 25 megatons used in Gaza and the 4970x worth of them for the supposed 35 megatons used in Tehran.

I mean, if the difference between my numbers and those megaton claims was only 10x or so, there is plenty of room in the assumptions used in my extrapolation from the 2000lb bomb numbers to an estimated order of size for the total explosive power dropped to possibly match, but it's not, it's in total more than 8,000x off.

By your theory Israel had the equivalent of over 119 million of the largest conventional bombs around stockpiled and managed to drop or fire on Tehran alone at least 69 million bombs (the "at least" number is if they had used only 2000lb bombs - it's a lot more if they used more common 500lb and 200lb ones and missiles).

[–] TheOctonaut@piefed.zip 1 points 1 day ago

You forgot time is linear and you want me to check the rest of your maths

gl;hf

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And no one you place value on will die.

Convenient that you would drop a bomb 65ish times more powerful than the Hiroshima nuclear bomb on them.

[–] TheOctonaut@piefed.zip -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And no one you place value on will die.

I've lived through a war. People you place value on die regardless.

Convenient that you would drop a bomb 65ish times more powerful than the Hiroshima nuclear bomb on them.

If it would stop it? Sure.

Again, Israel has dropped around 8 "Hiroshima nuclear bombs" on Gaza alone. At some point you have to kick the dog biting you. The trolley problem is not a solved problem - this is why.

Or let's wring our hands and worry about your ex who has "fought" in Israel to the effect of... watching it turn into a fascist nightmare state.

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Why not use a smaller bomb, when the option exists? Or targeted assassination? Or drones? Using a megaton nuke seems unwarranted. Palestinians in the West Bank live within a rifle-shot of the evil settlers shooting them with rifles. Seems like you're willing to accept the deaths of the people you claim to want to protect as collateral damage.