Comment and thread in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/23138585
Ban from that community, memes@lemmy.ml:
Rule 1 of said community: Be civil and nice.
Rule 1 of said instance: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
I was clearly not bigoted in any manner, and I believe more civil than the way I was treated, was it the Code of Conduct? Excerpts:
Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
I think I was kind with the people I disagreed with, even if they could not be in return, yet those comments (some including ableist slurs) remain. I think this is enough to demonstrate it is merely a difference in ideology which motivated the ban. Well, bans, because it seems they copied and pasted the same ban in all the communities they have access to:
It's not a general lemmy.ml ban, just those in particular.
I understand this kind of behavior in safe space communities that don't want outsiders bellyaching about the pragmatism of electoral politics, but that's not the case in any of the communities I've been banned from, nor is it a part of the instance rules or CoC.
PTB or triggered shitlib? Not an exclusive or, of course.
Look I'm not saying op was right but like at some point we have to acknowledge the elephant in the room. The non-voters/moderates/apolitical/silent majority/whatever the fuck you want to refer to them as is always simultaneously the biggest roadblock to progress and the biggest enabler of authoritarianism. Read and listen to what former Nazis had to say on the subject, listen to the survivors of their attrocities who were the moderate/apolitical group until authoritarianism kicked in their own personal door.
“We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented."
I'm curious what you mean by this quote, as it feels a bit both sides doesn't it?
The first half seems to indicate one should just vote dem because lesser of two evils (not voting being "neutrality" in my reading) so then in the second half...
You had a lot of leftists rightly pointing out Kamala would not commit to ending support for Israel's genocide, and we were told to shut up and just vote the lesser evil anyway.
So... Silenced and then what happened
For all their corpo-friendly faults, Democrats are demonstrably less oppressive than Republicans. Vote for the lesser evil, then don't be silent about the support of genocide. But keep the greater evil out first.
So it turns out that wasn't a convincing argument for enough voters.
And we're all paying the price for their terrible judgement.
Yeah, we are all paying for the terrible judgement of the pro-genocide wing of the party that tried to force their only policy on the American people. Keep blaming the voters and never appealing to them. That keeps working out great for you.
It's allegedly a democracy, so yes, ultimately the blame is on the voters.
And is blaming the voters putting people you want in office?
Are you ok with any winner as long as the voters know their place?
Voting for Democrats is not voting for success. IDK why we have to keep telling people that. At the very best, voting Dem is a vote for maintaining the decades of fascism and civil rights abuses by them. It's a vote for the status quo, even at the best of times and during the best years. Usually, however, voting for the Dems is voting for the erosion of civil rights, genocide and human rights abuses in Asia, and the proliferation of corporate and Israeli control over the nation. They aren't the "lesser of two evils", they ARE the same evil, and anyone who says otherwise is an entitled white person who doesn't have to live through the human rights abuse they gleefully take part in.
The only difference between them and Trump is that finally, Americans like you are having to actually live through the shit you put the rest of the world through. Hopefully you reflect on the experience and see what a horrible country you live in, and actually start voting for somebody who will change that.
I highly doubt that though.
It took me too long to get this, but man when I did, I was fuming. People like to point the positive of what Dems may do but I point out what negatives they OFTEN do. Biden was pro police, bipartisan, even said we NEEDED republicans. "Both sides" he called it. I'm done compromising my morals for fetid waste that is the Democrat party. Does the vote blaming carry over through most of Lemmy because if so, I have about 6 accounts I haven't blocked I need to report.
So you don't live in America but you somehow know exactly what it's like to live there under every variable across every administration? Congratulations, you are as American as the most devout maga.
I do live in America. I was born here. But I have no loyalty to this fetid country. So you're right, I don't consider myself American. I would never willingly associate with such a murderous terror regime.
Exactly. And especially so when its "Dems are just as bad".
No they the fucknare not.
Dems suck ass, but there is absolutely ZERO path towards progressive policy and a net positive through the GOP. Zero. They are an agressive, regrrssive, boat anchor, dragging everyone and everything backwards. Dems at least pay fucking lip service to and throw a bone to progressive policies. A bone that can be turned into a seed for actual positive change.
The GOP would rather grind thst shit to dust and tell you id doesn't exist.
And then find just enough no votes so they can block those policies, like with the public option and every tangible individual benefit in Build Back Better. Or we need the parliamentarian on board like with minimum wage. Or we need to ask every federal employee until we get the "no" we're looking for like biden did with cannabis rescheduling.
The left saw a party that they suspected was ineffectual on purpose.
Then they turned around and proved it by getting out of their own way and ignoring actual laws to sell weapons for genocide. They could have found an excuse not to. They're amazingly adept at finding them when they don't want to keep their campaign promises.
And what progressive policies have we had with them in office?
Tell us you have no idea what happens outside of the US without telling us you're an uneducated American who has buried their head in the sand to avoid thinking about how the democratic party has a long history of supporting human rights abuses in Asia.
Yeah, let them solve their own damn problems.
how is the US supplying bombs to Israel so they can bomb Asians their problem? the fuck?
Because they don't realize the USA has been imperialist from the beginning and still easy. That it's corporate imperialism mostly with a lot of defense companies running it.
A lot of the problems other countries are facing are because of US!
Yup. If two rapists walk up to me and tell me to choose between them, I'm choosing the one who will give me medical care, education, improved economy for the working class instead of investing class, public infrastructure, nature preservation, and a tease of corporate regulations instead of the one who will empty my wallet and return nothing. Either way we're getting fucked, may as well get fucked like an old housewife instead of a slave.
The problem is that neither made a convincing case that they were interested in doing any of that.
We get minor improvements to everything I listed when Democrat terrorists are in office, Republicans destroy existing policies for everything I listed every time they get power. Nature preservation alone makes the Democrats a million times better of an option, we are fucking the planet exponentially less with them in office, this is a fact.
So their apologists keep saying to people who are suffering. Rejoice! Prescription drug prices are down! (For 10 drugs! Available only to boomers on Medicare!) What do you mean you can't afford groceries?! Have you seen how great Bezos is doing? The economy is great, now shut up!
Genocide always gets the front seat at the trough. Where you want it. And netanyahu didn't have to listen to excuses about how everything was slightly better for billionaires so he should be happy.
Here's a thought. Throw the rapists out and elect somebody who isn't a rapist, you fucking weirdos.
Yeah,you are right, but we don't get there without passing through the "friendly.housewife rapist" first, so we can at least get back to a "normal" level.
Oh yeah I'm sorry I guess I just imagined that literally every single government on the planet is assisting the pedo ring run by my elected pedo rulers. You're literally acting like an American rn... even demonstrating the same levels of willful ignorance and blind ego as the most red of Maga. Congratulations you're more American than 1/2 of their own population!
I like how you're doing your best to make giving up and deciding that you're just going to have to pick between pedos from now on seem like the smart choice. That's pretty disgusting, not gonna lie. And worst of all, you don't seem all that bothered by it.