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Martin Fowler: ORM Hate (martinfowler.com)
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This is a pragmatic piece of Fowler on the rather dry topic of Object-relational mappings - in short, the attempt to marry an object-oriented code base with a relational data base.

Usually you'd get enough early success to commit deeply to the framework and only after a while did you realize you were in a quagmire - this is where I sympathize greatly with Ted Neward's famous quote that object-relational mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science

What Fowler refers to here, is Ted Neward's article "The Vietnam Of Computer Science"

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[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 6 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I like ORM's because they prevent sql injection. Mostly. Sql injection is a really bad vuln that's nowhere near as ubiqitous as it used to be for every php app, and that's partly due to ORM's.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You don't need ORMs to prevent SQL injection. Prepared statements have existed for decades.

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 3 points 14 hours ago

That's what I thought too: https://programming.dev/comment/22854391

But it seems to be possible to still do them wrong.

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