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"Even within the coding, it's not working well," said Smiley. "I'll give you an example. Code can look right and pass the unit tests and still be wrong. The way you measure that is typically in benchmark tests. So a lot of these companies haven't engaged in a proper feedback loop to see what the impact of AI coding is on the outcomes they care about. Lines of code, number of [pull requests], these are liabilities. These are not measures of engineering excellence."

Measures of engineering excellence, said Smiley, include metrics like deployment frequency, lead time to production, change failure rate, mean time to restore, and incident severity. And we need a new set of metrics, he insists, to measure how AI affects engineering performance.

"We don't know what those are yet," he said.

One metric that might be helpful, he said, is measuring tokens burned to get to an approved pull request – a formally accepted change in software. That's the kind of thing that needs to be assessed to determine whether AI helps an organization's engineering practice.

To underscore the consequences of not having that kind of data, Smiley pointed to a recent attempt to rewrite SQLite in Rust using AI.

"It passed all the unit tests, the shape of the code looks right," he said. It's 3.7x more lines of code that performs 2,000 times worse than the actual SQLite. Two thousand times worse for a database is a non-viable product. It's a dumpster fire. Throw it away. All that money you spent on it is worthless."

All the optimism about using AI for coding, Smiley argues, comes from measuring the wrong things.

"Coding works if you measure lines of code and pull requests," he said. "Coding does not work if you measure quality and team performance. There's no evidence to suggest that that's moving in a positive direction."

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[–] shads@lemy.lol 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh for fucks sake, "western" yes because the Western socio-political sphere is no longer a geographical divide, it's ideological and financial.

My views are shaped by the technology, the economic ramifications, the environmental impacts, and the geopolitical environment.

If you had a compelling use case for the technology then you would have explained it, instead you present arguments from incredulity and strawmanning, ergo your argumentative capabilities are on a level with a flat earther or young earth creationist.

I have been using technologies that have been getting described as "AI" since fuzzy logic and self modifying code were the new hotness. Every decade there is a new push towards this sort of stuff, every decade we are willing to broaden the definition of intelligence to be more loosely defined. The difference is that this decade a bunch of rich people realised they can release slop and a bunch of credulous idiots will run around declaring it as the first horseman of the coming singularity.

I was going to say a few more things but I have already wasted FAR more time on you than is warranted.

Bye πŸ‘‹

[–] org@lemmy.org -2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Like… what technologies. Show me your work. Show me how you use AI with modern tools and still fail.

[–] shads@lemy.lol 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I apologise, I engaged with you in good faith and you proved to be disingenuous and dishonest, I shouldn't have made you feel special by continuing to respond to you.

I asked you to demonstrate a claim and you turned it into this big production and you still haven't provided any reciepts.

If you want to talk with the adults in future you need to engage in good faith and back up your claims when asked. Then you get to ask follow up questions.

So when I said "Bye πŸ‘‹" that was my polite way of saying "I'm done with you." Sorry that went over your head, let's see if I can draw a ban from this instance by removing the polite and speaking to you in a way I am certain you are more accustomed to:

**Fuck off, you corporate boot licking waste of skin.

Go make another TikTok video about how an atmosphere can't exist next to a vacuum you mouth breathing cretin.

I am done with you! **

[–] org@lemmy.org 0 points 1 hour ago

Is it diagnosed? 🀣