The phrase was created with the explicit intent to destroy Israel. We can equivocate about the intent to destroy Israel as being genocidal, but as I explain, Palestinian activists consider it genocidal intent when Israeli politicians talk of destroying Palestine, so I use their own standard. It may be that people who use this phrase do not intend destruction of Israel, but they are using a phrase which was created explicitly to call for the destruction of Israel. I don't accept that there is any good faith way to claim the term has been "reclaimed." If I say "heil Hitler," and follow it up with "but no genocide or any of the bad stuff Hitler did," it doesn't erase the first part of my sentence. In fact, the second part is antithetical to the first.

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

Yea Israel is genociding the palestinians, not the other way around. Quit being a negationist

[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And the phrase "bless you" was created with the intent to banish demons out of your nose, but we still say it when you sneeze.

"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", is what they chant. Calling that genocidal is Orwellian mate. Get a grip.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

And the phrase “bless you” was created with the intent to banish demons out of your nose, but we still say it when you sneeze.

Bad example. The intent was good and it remains good.

“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, is what they chant. Calling that genocidal is Orwellian, mate. Get a grip.

Many do not. Many drop the second part entirely. For example, the t-shirt on the girl in this very video that we are discussing. Either way, adding a nice phrase to the end of a genocidal phrase doesn't make the genocide part less bad.

[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 points 9 hours ago

It's not a bad example, and I credit you with the intelligence to understand the principle the example is driving at, which you are choosing to ignore, that is: meanings change.
Do you really believe that girl made that t-shirt with genocidal intent? Do you think she wants Israelis wiped out?

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Accusation reversal. "The genocidees would be genociders if the role were reversed" aka "they deserved it".

How does it feel being a genocide apologist?

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't know. How does it feel to be a genocide apologist? Rape and murder is always bad, and I think your defense of atrocities because they're committed by your "side" is abhorrent.

[–] toad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Like those babies who got raped on the 7th of october, according to the genociders?

Piece of shit. You really believe everything your little massmurdering nation is telling you dont ya?