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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think immigration is a distraction and a veil to protect the rich. With the wealth and infrastructure, Europe can take in millions of people. With the wealth it possesses, we can have a strong social security net, free education, and maintain our current lifestyle quite easily. We "just" have to distribute the wealth, money and power better.

Look around, every country in Europe is struggling with maintaining its population numbers. The cost of living crisis, the lack of prospects, the bleak outlook, and centralisation of wealth is hindering people from seeing themselves with children, much less affording them. The workforce is shrinking quickly and cannot provide neither manpower nor the money to pay for the pensions of the evergrowing group of retirees - that is mostly because the money is either flowing outside of the countries or into the pockets of the rich and wealthy.

The problem isn't "the muzzies" nor "brown people are destroying our culture". It's that people who come to Europe are being treated like they don't belong. Governments aren't doubling down on integration but are instead ostracising them despite requiring them. It's a formula that will bear its nasty fruit. You can fly in thousands of Indian nurses, treat them like shit, and expect them to be happy. Invest in their future, invest in them, and the neighborhoods they are in.

Happy, successful citizens do their best to see their country thrive. Poor, sidelined, citizens forced to survive might be easy to control and pit against each other, but they do not make for a stable society.

Pointing fingers at groups within the 99% doesn't do anything but help the percenters or dot-percenters.

[–] NorskSud@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

No region of the world can receive millions of people without disruptions. Some thousands and you have a housing crisis already, shitty apartments in Lisbon are more expensive than good ones in Brussels. And the total of the population barely changed..

Also, migration without controls is a neoliberal agenda, not a left one. Controlled economy doesn't work with uncontrolled migration. It's weird to me that it's always the left carrying the defense of migration when it's something of a free market ideology. Socialist countries are always extremely controlling of their borders.

I think you both make good points.

Immigration can only work with integration, and there are limits beyond which things just... break.

And ideally, people shouldn't have to upend their lives and move to entire different continents for a chance of a decent living.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I see carrying the torch for the rich is your past time. Keep it up.

[–] NorskSud@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're the one advocating for cheap labour without restrictions, how am I the one carrying the flame for the rich? The rich love cheap labour! But yeah, with that dominant ideology among left parties, no wonder the popular classes vote far-right...

[–] atro_city@fedia.io -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're assuming all immigrants are cheap labor. I know which political ideology you lean towards.

Hint: Expats are immigrants and so are foreign nationals from the US, Italy or Australia in any European country that isn't Italy.

[–] NorskSud@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

I just gave you the example of house prices in Lisbon, and those are not being pulled up by cheap labour, but uncontrolled migration also means cheap labor.

And no, a EU citizen in another EU country is not an immigrant. But an American digital nomad in Lisbon yes, is indeed an immigrant. 

Also, advocating for limits and policies that regulate migration doesn't mean being against it all together. It's not a yes or no question, precisely what I've been trying to say since the first comment.

I don't think they're "carrying the torch for the rich" - at least not intentionally.