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the trouble with anarchism is all that liberty (quokk.au)

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[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

My problem with anarchy is that your freedom doesn't end where mine begins.

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

“Your rights end where another’s rights begin.” According to that logic, the more people there are, the less freedom.

But freedom is not a tiny bubble of personal rights. We cannot be distinguished from each other so easily. Yawning and laughter are contagious; so are enthusiasm and despair. I am composed of the clichés that roll off my tongue, the songs that catch in my head, the moods I contract from my companions. When I drive a car, it releases pollution into the atmosphere you breathe; when you use pharmaceuticals, they filter into the water everyone drinks. The system everyone else accepts is the one you have to live under—but when other people challenge it, you get a chance to renegotiate your reality as well. Your freedom begins where mine begins, and ends where mine ends. [...]

Freedom is not a possession or a property; it is a relation. It is not a matter of being protected from the outside world, but of intersecting in a way that maximizes the possibilities. That doesn’t mean we have to seek consensus for its own sake; both conflict and consensus can expand and ennoble us, so long as no centralized power is able to compel agreement or transform conflict into winner-takes-all competition. But rather than breaking the world into tiny fiefdoms, let’s make the most of our interconnection.

Citing crimethinc as an answer to this

[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago

According to that logic, the more people there are, the less freedom.

This is only true to a certain extent. People have rights that align.

I didn't have more freedom when I lived in my small 38 pop vilage than I have now.

It is correct that a car releases pollution in the atmosphere everyone breathes. This is why in most civilized countries, there are regulations that people have to follow.

Regulations are meaningless without enforcement.

You are concerned by the pharmaceutical stuff that filters into the water... Such a miniscule non-issue.

In your anarchy world, what are you going to do when some community upstream decides that the river is a perfectly good place to dump their waste?

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 13 hours ago

That makes zero sense. I’m sure subverting the saying sounded cool, but it doesn’t convey a meaning.