Socialism
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The only dangerous minority is the rich.
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Also i would add that whatever comes out from AI is their (AI) product not yours. Making the LLM user losing its core abilities by delegating their core activity to the LLM, meaning losing even more value as a worker and becoming even easier to replace (that also is one of the. Main reason of this big LLM hype.).
Looks like that marx "capital" is more actual then ever!
And if “they” own AI slop output, does that also mean they also “own” the content the AI trained on (art and such)?
While you’re thinking about that, consider how many working families have been bankrupted by copyright infringement lawsuits. Not many, but while you’re pondering that, ask yourself or look up how much Meta was fined for pirating millions of books (zero).
Quite a few have been bankrupt by it, once every few years they "make an example" by allowing a corporate to sue some random nerd doing piracy for everything they're worth
What i meant talking about ownership in my previous comment, was the AI Slop user, that they could feel to have done something, but they actually didn't the AI did it, and they didn't wrote a line of the LLM output. Meaning that he did to himself more harm, thinking of being more productive. He didn't produce anything, let a tool do it, that has been able to arrive at that point by stealing data all over the internet, without paying a penny. And the user didn't gain anything from it, didn´t learn anything, that in the long term is a loss of skills, meaning a loss of value, and being easier to replace, that was what I meant.
And the big corporations will get out without paying much, they pirated content, but they have money. So any fine for them will be just a bunch of pennies. But I think that now they pirated more than piracy at its peak. But this has been considered fair use (Also the destruction of thousand of physical books, to have them digitialized to train the LLMs...)