wisdomchicken

joined 2 years ago
 

How to build a fediverse community when bots are indistinguishable from humans on applications to join?

 

When Elon Musk calls to imprison the government, it turns out not to matter very much. But when thousands of accounts repeat each other, it matters enormously.

 

On coordination in a decentralised network, and the European Social Stack declaration.

 

This week, the Catholic Church wrote one of the better diagnoses of why decentralised social networks keep struggling.

 

On the convergence towards private data on social networking protocols, and the connection to Matrix

 

The European Commission has decided not to extend the Digital Markets Act's interoperability rules to social media, closing off a potential pathway for adoption for open social networks.

 

How the conferences FediForum and 2mr.social this week show how fediverse is trying to build connections with European politics, as well as with the atmosphere.

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yeah i get what you mean, its been something ive been thinking about. the title itself is already deliberate, because the legal problem already exists: while it is uncertain what the Russmedia ruling does for federation and social platforms regarding GDPR, that uncertainty itself already does pose a major problem.

in the article itself i have an entire section on the uncertainty, and what might limit Russmedia's reach. A lot actually hinges on what the outcome of the Kunast case will be.

thats why i published it now, and with this title. Because right now federation does have a legal problem, with the problem being the uncertainty itself. After Kunast there might either be a much bigger problem (Russmedia confirmed to generalise to social platforms) or a much smaller problem

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

yes this. The current problem right now is that it is very unclear what the status of federation for GDPR compliance is, this ruling strongly suggests that it is not compliant. But this is a single ruling, that technically only right now affects a single Romanian marketplace. So a lot depends on how other courts will respond to this ruling, which parts they pick up on, and if this type of argument will become more broadly used beyond this single Romanian site. But that the german courts specifically paused a major cause about Meta to wait for this ruling, and that they have said that they will read it broadly, and that a prominent German legal scholar predicts that they this ruling will apply straightforwardly to Meta, are not encouraging signs. But yeah, thats future predictions, and that is still highly uncertain.

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

thanks! all the cover photos are made by my dad, and i usually pick the ones i like, often nature or buildings. I had this one lying around for a long while that i never used, because as you say, it does look disgusting and creepy, and that described my feelings pretty well with the topic of the article

 

What the Russmedia ruling means for ActivityPub and atproto.

 

What makes a social network resilient?

 

Mastodon has received a 600k grant by the Sovereign Tech Agency, and Surf has launched.

 

On AI and place, and how Mastodon gives tools to create communities at the instance level, but people experience 'place' at the federation level.

 

Every open social protocol generates shared resources, but none has produced a governance framework adequate to those resources. So who fills that vacuum?

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago

i thought you made a fair point, and you were right to be confused, so figured id just address it directly

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

i ddos my wordpress-activitypub-enabled website every time i boost a post made from there to my 10k followers. tried every single caching plugin for it as well.

activitypub scaling is a very real issue

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago

open social web is used here as a descriptive term, to mean the collection of networks that includes activitypub, atproto, nostr (and potentially more like matrix and farcaster, depending on your inclination).

whether open social web is the correct term or not does not really matter, because if it was not than i would simply have to replace it with another term that describes the exact same thing

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 1 points 1 year ago

yeah, there are two aspects to this: what do you think is beneficial for the ecosystem, and what do people do in practice. And those are largely different things, turns out.

I think you can make a pretty good case why it would be beneficial for ecosystem development to have protocols more standardised. But that also kinda doesnt matter much, because in an open network you dont have control over what other people are doing.

Bluesky has a much more structured protocol, and much more control over their protocol and anyone in the fediverse has over activitypub. Still, the first thing that people do is tweak the protocol. The three most successful other products on atproto (tangled, streamplace and roomy) all significantly modify the protocol to fit their own needs, theoretical arguments be damned

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago

ohh indeed some interesting recommendation system in there, thanks!

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago

ah great, thats exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

very curious what server you are on? im on a server with 1k active users, so not big by any measure, and manually counted the federated timeline just now, and it shows at least 50 new posts per minute. like how do you even use that? do you just watch it until an interesting account pops up on there? im very confused by this idea of using federated timeline to find people

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i think the main takeaway is that the fediverse has hugely overindexed on relays being this big huge centralising force in the atproto network. And thats simply not true at all. The flipside of that is that relays also dont really matter much either. All they do is simply aggregating from a distributed network of data storage into a single firehose. Its really cool that you can do that for super cheap. but its also just a small part of the entire network architecture. like, atproto relays are not CDNs, for example, and video CDNs are expensive to run.

[–] wisdomchicken@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

because hosting a full-network relay is super cheap, including bandwidth. there are multiple people who are running full-network relays (monitoring and relaying everything from every PDS) for less than 30USD per month

https://fediversereport.com/atmosphere-report-116/

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