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@Shellofbiomatter - Cheers and no worries. This has been a wonderful conversation and has highlighted key things that need to be considered in community groups and movements.

I wish you well and hope your weekend is going great!

@Shellofbiomatter - It's alright and I can understand your frustration.

If you have experienced this, then I dont understand why you used words like faith or assume. Why didn't you respond with actual examples of how things arent working out and asking for guidance on fixing them? Or at the very least pointing out the problems in your lived experiences and lamenting at feeling discouraged and beaten down without having a solution?

Your kind of reply, while it may be cathartic to you, only serves to hurt and discourage others.

If you would, and if you are able, either seek comfort in a way that doesn't hurt or discourage others, or seek solutions to those problems you are encountering.

Problems within group dynamics and collaboration are known issues with known solutions - lots of books in the library addressed to it, lots of threads devoting to discussion and application of solutions, lots of mutual aid networks that serve as support for these sort of things.

So. I hear you. And that is frustrating what you're going through. I hope are able to fix whats happening in your group activities, or join a new healthier group, or start a new group from the ground up, or contribute individually and on your own terms.

@Shellofbiomatter @stabby_cicada - "I don't have enough belief in others to assume they are doing their part"

what do you mean assume? Wouldn't you know or not know? If you are in your community doing work you would know what others are doing and what others are not doing.

I just got out of a community meeting. Neighbor A and B continue to maintain the decentralized food distribution apparatus of free fridges. They reported that they have three more neighbors that have volunteered to take on cleaning shifts. Fridge B has an issue with one of the fridges tripping the circuit breaker and they're fixing it. Fridge A's community bulletin board is now accessible because they found the lost key for it.

Me and Neighbor C are working on the Food Rescue side as one input into our local food apparatus. We just brought in a new contributor. A gluten free bakery that will be feeding into Fridge B.

Spoke to a neighbor who just lost their job and needs food but has celiac. Pointed her towards fridge B and let her know the dropoff times of the GF Bakery. She is now utilizing the local communities food system and is further supported.

Next month I'm meeting with the greater town's Hunger Action Coalition and comparing notes and collaborating with them to fill in gaps. We also just got plugged into the Food Rescue Alliance which is national and connects our town to other towns for support and education.

I know exactly who is doing their part.

Because I'm doing my part.

If you get out and do something with others you won't have to assume one way or another. You won't have to believe (or not believe).

You'll know.

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(Note to others reading this: this is directed at someone who has claimed initiative failure via vibes without demonstrating any actual experience.

We do what part we can as and when we can. Interestingly, if you can't contribute - even receiving aid and support without currently putting back in helps the entire system of mutual aid. Drawing on the support of your neighbors is everything.)

#solarPunk

@Nacktmull @poVoq - "just". Solarpunk absolutely is a coping strategy.

That's the whole point.

It's a way to cope with this bullshit and get through it.

- cope /kōp/ (intransitive verb)
To contend with difficulties and act to overcome them

How would (or how do) *you* deal with a terrible world?

I very specifically:
- Imagine what a better world could be.
- Describe and discuss with others what a better world could and should be. Giving my ideas and hearing their's. Disagreeing with methods but agreeing on the overall goal to fight and strive for that better world
- Actively work towards that better world
- Comfort and support those who are working towards that better world
- Comfort and support those who are hurt by the current world
- Receive comfort and support from others so I can get through this current world

You're damned right it's a coping strategy.

What is there to do besides cope?
- Despair
- Give up and be destroyed
- Join the oppressors with a hope to not be destroyed and still be destroyed

Or... as you seem to be doing...

Lash out, not at the oppressors, but at those holding on to hope and those who are fighting the oppressors?

That is a thing you can do, certainly. And I bet it feels cathartic - spreading your disappointment and fear onto those who would have hope and find ways to quell their fear.

Please stop.

We are finding ways to cope. Dealing with the actual bad is bad enough. Dealing with folks like you who get in the way and bring others down makes it incredibly more difficult.

"just" a coping strategy.

@django @linux_gaming - You might look into taking one of the sim citites and intentionally building it car free (example: https://community.simtropolis.com/omnibus/simcity-4/tutorials/how-to-make-a-roadless-city-r89/)

You can use all mass transit forms except for busses (as building for busses would also allow for cars): https://simcity.fandom.com/wiki/Mass/_transit

Here is one discussion of someone building similar: https://www.reddit.com/r/simcity4/comments/g0cwic/my/_first/_serious/_attempt/_at/_making/_a/_city/_with/_no/

You would focus on renewable energy: (see multple variants both current to our world and future tech: https://simcity.fandom.com/wiki/List/_of/_power/_plants )

Look into various libraries and community centers and mods etc.

@alxd - Oh you made it!!! Wonderful!!!!

@SolarPunker - Fully agree with that.

@Elorageuse @poVoq - it is, but when you are spreading a message you have to go to where people are.