@tom GrapheneOS must be fuming rn
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@maltfield Here's another example of I'm guessing Daniel, being an asswipe towards someone that had a genuine concern with the 'apocalyptic' way GrapheneOS tends to exaggerate their messages. It's clear from that sentence that "the final version of GrapheneOS" is not intended to be referring to some 24-hour support or whatever they tried to explain later in the thread.
https://mstdn.io/@eskuero/114824540277758406
Notice the loaded words in the thread, "extreme", "misrepresenting", "lying", and so on. That user wasn't fucking lying or misrepresenting, they were genuinely concerned after reading that stupidly-written message on their Matrix.
There's a boatload of threads like these where the GOS account jumps to people's throats with a knife for the smallest things.
Write something that may not be entirely true, perhaps you've heard some rumor or whatever somewhere and just want to get official news? Oops, you're lying, you're extremely misrepresenting what we wrote, please don't ever interact with us again, we'll ban you, etc.
@maltfield Here we go again, another nothing-burger that doesn't surprise me at all. I love the project, but Daniel just seems insufferable from his comments in that thread, and other, older, comments.
With all respect to him and the project, but if something as simple, as miniscule, very little drama-worthy such as a thread asking for a simple gesture feature causes him to "lose an hour of [his] work" and to make him worry about more attacks on the project, it just indicates bigger problems than just a simple focus loss due to some small issue that gained virtually ZERO interactions besides a total of four people, including Daniel and the community mod.
I get GOS has been harassed by other projects, but even mentioning a 'competing' ROM such as /e/OS or CalyxOS counts as bad behaviour and inciting harassment and this and that, it's obviously not a good look.
@floofloof "TapTrap works even on the latest Android version, Android 16. We reported this issue to Google and major browser vendors in 2024. Browsers have fixed the issue as of July 2025, but Android itself remains vulnerable (see the disclosure timeline for details)."
JFC, Google
@daggermoon @kde Seems to be the XP-Pen Artist 12
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@WitchKnight AFAICT CalyxOS is similar to LineageOS, the defunct DivestOS and so on, basically only modifying 'surface-level' things to improve privacy and security by editing the Android OS, but no significant modifications to the kernel.
GrapheneOS can go deeper and create their own, more secure memory allocator, they can integrate things better via the kernel since GOS is only available for Google Pixel devices, which means they can provide the most security on those devices.
CalyxOS is still secure, it's basically the same as AOSP, which already has a good security model (being the official Android source code and all), and they try to minimize what data gets sent to Google, and trying to spoof what they have to share with them.
GOS goes a step further, they don't include GMS by default, and they have developed a custom integration which lets you install Google Play Services as user applications (as opposed to system-level), which means GMS cannot access some data, and is basically sandboxed within the user-mode limits. They also forked Chromium (as Vanadium) and also modified it to integrate with the kernel-level improvements such as the hardened memory allocator (malloc).
Of course, people will go out of their way to say that CalyxOS actually weakens the security because they can't keep up with the frequent security updates to upstream AOSP, which may be true, but they have recently retuened from a hiatus, promising new features and more updates, which remains to be seen if they can keep up.
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There have been debates about what's what between CalyxOS and GOS for probably years, I don't really keep up with shitty drama, but at least on a subjective level to me it seems Daniel is quite the asshole to other people that aren't fully aligned (or neutral) to GOS.
They dried retracting the rights to the browser patches used by Cromite, but that didn't work because that's not how code licenses work, for the simple reason that someone from the CalyxOS project created a pull request on GitHub. Created a pull request!
It didn't even get merged since there wasn't much to see, but for the sole reason that the PR was made and Cromite's developer had a few comments, Daniel barged in and caused a scene. The GOS account regularly gets into arguments with people on Fedi, they block anyone that's even slightly opposed or critical of them.
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Sure, the code is great and I probably would use GOS if I could afford a Pixel device, but it comes with the stink carried by Daniel's drama. If there was a comparable project to GOS, I'd use that instead.
There's also this "objective" comparison page: https://eylenburg.github.io/android/_comparison.htm, but do note that Daniel lurks and comments on the github PRs and issues of this site.