SaltSong

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[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 points 3 weeks ago

The US is obligated by law,

Yea, that's a law we passed, right? One which we could repeal, too?

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 33 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I thought I was wrong, once. But I was mistaken.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

And we provide Israel weapons to bomb Gaza.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 0 points 3 weeks ago

That doesn't always work.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We used to have an agreement, didn't we? What happened to it?

Oh. Right.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 45 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

Are they running out of people to murder in Gaza? Or do they just need someone to fight back, so they can look oppressed?

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There was the whole thing in Guantanamo Bay. And the awful treatment of civilians in Afghanistan. And in Iraq. And we can't forget the Vietnam war.

I think the guy you're talking to is a duck, but he's not all wrong.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just because Trump isn't performing his duty doesn't mean that he doesn't have a duty.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 13 points 3 weeks ago

There was a scene involving some vey angry, but peaceful protesters surrounding a government building. A small team of police was ordered into the crowd. Not to attack, just to patrol, to open a little corridor so people could pass. But that was six guys in riot gear pushing their way through the people.

Even in the best possible circumstances, that's gonna cause a little trouble, and these were not the best possible circumstances. Fruit was thrown. Maybe a bottle or two. The police are tense. The people are tense.

And a government agent, working for the guy who ordered the cops out there, shot one of them. The cops reacted defensively, and struck at the crowd, trying to get to safety. The crowd fought back. Things quickly got out of hand.

And the stormtroopers were standing by, waiting for the word.

It was a setup. An incident was forced to happen. It might have happened even without the sniper. Just force the police into the crowd, and sooner or later, someone will do something stupid.

On the same way, the NG troops might be deliberately pressed into a position where they legitimately think they are defending themselves, but no single order will seem like "crossing the line" to them. Stand here. Hold the line. Push the crowd out of this area.

I hope it doesn't happen. But the metaphor of boiling the frog is apt.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But I think there is a moral imperative that says “do not obey immoral orders”

Is it immoral to get on a plane, and go sleep on the floor somewhere?

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 8 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Again, it's one thing to expect them to reject orders they know are illegal, such as firing on civilians. It's another thing entirely to expect them to reject orders the legality of which may be a supreme court case next week.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It’s not the military’s duty to protect protestors.

The path of enlistment starts like this:

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same

Peaceful protest is our constitutional right.

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