PhilipTheBucket

Holy God why are you still following me around lol

Okay, sounds good, I'll make another post, let's see if that helps with my credibility

Having a dog stay in a bed or crate when they’ve been a pain in the ass is actually pretty common and I think you already know that

This is absolutely wrong. One of the most important things about crate training is that you don't use "go to your crate!" as a punishment. It's an emotionally satisfying thing to do if you're having trouble with your anger or something, but it absolutely fucks up the dog's training that you are trying to do (or what you should be trying to do, I'm going under the assumption that you're not a psychopath here).

https://smartdoglearning.com/dog-crate-training-101-how-to-make-the-crate-your-dogs-bff/

I don't really know shit about dog training, but even I know that.

You also shouldn't say "Kaya! Please!" "Go ba--" "Stop!" when what you mean is "Place!" and the dog didn't do a damn wrong. But again, I already know that me saying these things is going to mean nothing to you. Just one of you guys found a new way to piss me off with animal-abuse-apologia, so I wanted to say something about it.

At a time when Democrats are searching for leadership, Mr. Pritzker is trying to seize the moment to demonstrate it — to fuel opposition to Mr. Trump across the nation, and, perhaps, his future presidential ambitions.

Gotta get that in there, NYT, didn't you. I'm sure the article is fine but they just can't completely let go of the leader-cock with one hand, they're just hanging on in case they need it later, keeping in practice every night with their favorite tricks to discredit somebody on command.

I halfway wish some of the fascism would come for these guys directly. It's definitely got them in the sights, they just don't seem to realize it, and maybe if something did happen the survivors would maybe wake the fuck up and start helping.

I realized something interesting: Sometime yesterday, the almost unanimous majority of the pro-Hasan commenters shifted over into accusing people of being fans of some other streamer who I have barely heard of, or of being taken in by random streamer drama. They're all pretty familiar with streamer drama and all of the personalities at work in this weird little space.

That means that more or less every single one of the normies who just happened to run across this clip without being deep into streamer lore, had the same logical horrified reaction to it. The only people defending Hasan (with maybe like 1-2 exceptions, people who watched the clip and decided it didn't look like a big deal to them) are people with some kind of parasocial thing going on, who are assuming that everyone else in the thread obviously has some alternate parasocial thing going on also.

Maybe. Like I said, the overall body language from the dog, and his tone of voice when he talks about her, and also him lying about objectively verifiable things, mean more to me on the topic than a lot of these clips that people are talking about.

(For example, the fact that back then he was saying that shock collars are mean and he doesn't believe in them, and he's bringing that up now as a defense of himself, but then saying simultaneously that shock collars don't even hurt anyway so even if she was wearing one it wouldn't be a big deal. That's... well, you know.)

But anyway, like I say, I have never seen someone's dog who is less happy to interact with them. She just seems defeated. She doesn't lick him, she doesn't perk up when he pays attention to her, she just sits there quietly while he's rubbing her head or whatever, and then slowly obeys his commands to come here or go sit on her bed or whatever, with her head down. I realize that's subjective but that is definitely my take on it.

Ha, thank you. Just the fact that it involves someone being careless and mean to his dog got me pretty riled up about it tbh.

I see that they've now progressed from "Why do you care SO MUCH about and have a parasocial attachment to this streamer, that's weird" and into "Why are you even spending SO MUCH time and energy posting about this topic, how dare you put comments on this internet site, that is unhealthy." I feel like the sudden shift away from actually talking about the subject matter means I'm winning lol.

"I give Kaya the place command as I usually do" He did not do that, he ranted about Israel for a while and then when she dared to step off the platform he said, "Kaya! Please!" Also "Go ba--" and "Stop!"

Like the "she clipped herself" thing, this to me at least is a massive red flag. It's hard to tell what's true, you kind of walk into a situation and you're not sure what to think and it's all conflicting claims. But one of the early things you can pick out is someone who lies about something recent that is instantly verifiable, and does it confidently and sort of automatically. It doesn't mean they're on the wrong side of everything, but it's a massive warning sign, and then if later on they wind up wanting you to take their word for things you know how much weight to give it.

You trying to sell this as “incontrovertible” proof

Pretty sure I never did that, search for "You might disagree with that, and fine"

I have more to say, but not tonight, it is enough for one day good lord. Whenever I get up the gumption to say more I will tag you I guess.

FUCKING EMBARRASSING. DELETE THIS.

No I don't think that I will

have even posted edited clips from 8 years ago making it sound like Hasan admitted to buying a shock collar when he was actually saying the exact opposite, following the same playbook that they have in the past in their attempts to discredit him.

See, this is a pretty good example: I 100% agree with you here, and just told someone so who was trying to use that clip against him. That's my MO. I see something, I try hard to step back and see it for what it is and then decide how to judge the actions accordingly. I don't just kind of buy into whatever crap shows up on my internet that day (or I try not to, although definitely sometimes I get taken, I like to think it is rare.) Same goes if it's Hasan or Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris or my brother-in-law. There is a time when "loyalty to the cause" needs to factor into it, but that's like a dire circumstance. Like I would never pretend that MLK didn't cheat on his wife or Thomas Jefferson didn't own slaves, or that Biden didn't enable a genocide just because I wanted his team to win the election. I don't think anyone in Palestine is going to be helped by pretending to see things differently than how I see them on this dog issue. Generally speaking I think truth is almost always better.

For one thing, I don't think it helps Hasan for people to be in hero worship mode. Everyone needs to be called out on their bullshit sometimes, because everyone is bullshit at least part of the time. It's part of being human. If people exist for too long in that space where no one's allowed to call them out, they start to go real off the rails and just think that they're God and everyone else is stupid.

Like I say I may have a blinkered picture of the guy, I fully agree with you about certain negative things about him probably getting played up because of his politics. Fair enough. I can make an effort in the future to catch him on some random stream, to get a fair sampling, but IDK how that translates into all this deflection and weirdness about this particular factual matter that is on display all over this comments thread.

https://files.catbox.moe/x0kbh4.mp4

Someone asked him on stream what he was reaching for right at the moment that he was super-focused on being exasperated at the dog, and he said something that to me sounded like "my zintins." I'm too boomer to even understand what the fuck word he said, so if anyone knows what that's about or whether it is plausible that he was suddenly motivated to snatch for them right at that moment please I would appreciate a leg up of understanding.

He has admitted to owning a shock collar

I mean, what he said was that his roommate owned a shock collar, and that he was against them. It was a little unclear to me but it didn't exactly sound like he was admitting much of anything in that clip (if the one you have in mind is also the one I'm thinking of).

Twitter is now saying they figured out what collar he has, and that it's the shock version of it that he took the prongs out of and then put black tape on the back of the box, and that's why he was so incredibly hesitant to show it for more than 0.2 seconds or move his hand away from that weird sort of cardshark grip he had the collar in the entire time. I thought about making a separate post with the quick overview video which is all I've seen so far, but I'm honestly mostly done with dealing with this shit at least for tonight and I don't really want to post it and start another kerfuffle until I can look at the details a decent amount myself. Here's that video though (with some irritatingly quick scrolls through a document which lays out some of the details, you'll have to pause to really be able to see anything, but it does make sense if you pause it and look):

https://files.catbox.moe/x0kbh4.mp4

And yes, I agree. The main thing that makes me think he's a POS is his overall tone and emotional affect, and the dog's reactions to him. If she just yelped on stream right after he reached for something, but then his overall way of interacting with her was normal and caring instead of exactly the opposite of that, then I probably wouldn't think twice about it.

Didn't you just post a bunch of pure bullying videos about Ethan Kline?

I tried to watch Ethan Kline today for the first time, and it was too much bullshit for me to even want to be a part of for more than a few minutes. The man looks like a sickly Victorian orphan. A video about Ethan Kline and what a big poopy head he is, is not something I would ever consider watching let along posting. I tried to watch your video and all I can say is, I don't think you should be giving advice to anyone along this particular axis.

I care about what is true and often I want to dig to the bottom of it.

You could say it's not a good way to be, and depending on the triviality of the subject matter you might be right. But I definitely don't think it's the worst thing in the world to have that mindset.

Also, just because everyone talked to me about Ethan Klein and he showed up in my YouTube anyway, I am now watching him for the first time, talking about this controversy.

Edit: WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I DONE now half my YouTube recommendations is streamer bullshit