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Trains and planes, too. Did you know you can grow up and drive a giant machine that weighs a million pounds, carrying vital equipment around the country and traveling around all day seeing new stuff? Or one that flies almost at the speed of sound, so high in the sky that you can barely see the ground? Honestly I still watch those "locomotive start up process" YouTube videos. It's the coolest thing in the world.

Honestly, the whole thing is darkly comic. He shifts from threatening ("Your corporal doesn't mean shit to me" "Are you Haitian?") to almost crying while asking for special treatment because we're supposed to be allies, brother. Honestly if I had been the cop, I would have been extremely tempted to reference his initial behavior on the stop when explaining why he wasn't getting any special friendly kid gloves "we're all law enforcement" treatment. I do think staying professional about it and trying to actually build some sympathy was probably the right call, but I don't think I would have been super nice about any of it after that point.

As a broader point I would really encourage ICE to keep doing this kind of thing, trying to bully other law enforcement agencies and tear-gassing the police in Chicago. You don't need any kind of support from anyone guys, you're not embedded into a wider society and it's not at all important what kind of narrative nuggets penetrate into the public consciousness to make it clear to everyone what a piece of shit you are. No one can touch you. Just do whatever you want to everyone, it'll be fine.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

If another valid explanation exists and can’t be ruled out (especially when that explanation is even supported by evidence), then it isn’t proven that a shock happened.

Completely agree. I asked you for what that valid explanation was, and you said that it's possible that the collar had no shock function. I pointed out that it's been abundantly proven that the model of shock collar he showed does have a shock function, and then you shifted to claiming that it's possible that he just didn't know it had a shock function. So in other words, an inconsistent and shifting explanation which is totally fantastical, questing about in the search for some kind of hare-brained logic which exonerates Hasan even if it makes no sense. Which is roughly what I expected lol. I have seen this type of logic before from other Hasan stans. I do commend you for not falling back on claiming that I am the brainwashed one because I obviously come from LSF or I'm a Destiny watcher or whatevernot.

a lot of this discussion has shifted away from evidence and into speculation about people’s motives or behavior

On your side, yes. After I showed you videos of the exact model of collar, images illustrating in detail how Hasan doctored it, and video of him behaving abusively towards dogs in a way that isn't up for debate, you shifted away from the factual landscape and said you would "not respond to every point." Yes, I think tactically that's a good idea on your part, if you're trying to cling to this world model where Hasan is not a dog abuser who lies about it. That's pretty much all you can fall back on I think.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I’m not defending pulling the dog by the tail. I’m just saying it’s a separate issue from the specific claim that he shocked the dog.

What? No it isn't. He's a piece of shit for pulling the dog by the tail, so there stops being a reason to assume good faith as far as his treatment of some other dog. Same as when his explanation changes or contradicts visible evidence (like the model of collar), there stops being a reason to assume he's telling the truth about things that are less cut and dried.

Offering an alternative explanation of events doesn’t meet the standard of proof.

Why does this not apply to Hasan's explanation?

Especially when the tangible evidence we do have, like eye witness accounts

I don't really care what people aligned with Hasan have to say about it. Especially since, like I said, they lose credibility to me when their explanations contradict one another or the visible evidence. "Tangible evidence" to me is what I can see or a factual argument that starts from first principles.

This is something I've noticed MAGA people do, too: They basically outsource their critical thinking to some authority or other, and get uncomfortable with the idea of evaluating factual claims. You're defining "independent investigation" in this no-true-Scotsman type of way, where anything that supports what you want to believe is "an independent investigation" or an "eye witness account," but someone holding up the actual model of collar Hasan is using and making a compelling case on the facts of the matter is "an alternative explanation." And there's no reason why Hasan's explanation contradicting those visible facts would impact his credibility going forward.

It seems like you're actively refusing to evaluate the claims on the merits, instead defaulting back to where Hasan and his supporters are trustworthy even when their explanations change from one day to the next or one supporter to the next, or contradict physical evidence, and anyone who has bad things to say is untrustworthy (I guess simply by reason of having bad things to say about him.)

(I also note that your explanation contradicts Hasan's. He's saying the collar is not a shock collar. You're saying it could be a shock collar, but he just didn't know it had the shock function. That kind of thing is what directs his backers' credibility straight into the garbage as far as I'm concerned.)

(I mean, if Hasan's case was to hold up the collar clearly close to the camera, show all sides of it, and say very specifically "No it is not the ET-300, it is this other model of collar, see they look similar" then that would be a strong counterargument that puts criticism down in that category of "an alternative proposed explanation." But he's stayed far, far, far away from anything factual and clear like that, which is pretty notable to me. I mean, at this point even if he did do that there would be no reason to think he didn't just buy a vibration-only collar in the meantime... what he could easily have done is at any point during the hours of drama that ensued after the initial shock event, he could have walked over to Kaya, grabbed the collar, showed it to the camera holding it close up showing all sides. The whole thing would have been a non issue. To me him refusing to do that when people were saying "SHOW THE COLLAR," and then when he did it the next day it clearly being a modified shocking-capable collar which he claimed was not shock capable, plus various other circumstantial evidence like pulling the dog's tail and hiding the remote from a camera that was placed in a position to show it, adds up to exactly what it seems like it adds up to.)

Anyway, I am more or less done with this conversation. You reacted pretty much exactly like I would expect a Hasan stan to react, I was just sort of surprised to find that on Lemmy, I thought it was more of a Reddit thing. Good talking with you, good times.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (10 children)

It’s seems to come off as an attempt to depict Hasan as acting in bad faith. Then using the bad faith explanation for what happened.

What is the good faith explanation for grabbing a dog by its tail and then pulling it to move the dog to where you want it to be?

(I know you're going to ignore this question as you repeatedly have before. Honestly I'm probably done with this conversation, I have gotten more or less what I aimed to get out of it. I've exposed you to the truth, whether you want to accept it or not, which is a useful thing to do. And I've given you a chance to air your side or poke holes in my argument in case I missed something, I think you've had enough of a chance at this point that it's not really necessary to keep going in case you come out with some damning counterargument all of a sudden.)

Hasan may just may not have known it’s a collar capable of shocking if he never used it

Sure. And then he just didn't know he was removing the prongs from it which he didn't know were there, and taping over them (with the clearly recently-applied strip of black tape which has no dog hair on it as it would if it had been stuck on even a week before). He just has a sleepwalking problem where he modifies his household appliances coupled with amnesia about their general nature and function as to their primary purpose. After all, we've got to assume good faith no matter what kind of self-contradictory horseshit comes out of this mouth, so as long as there is some explanation no matter how tortured and nonsensical, that's the most likely explanation. Call it Oddham's Razor.

A lot of what is being presented as evidence isn’t from independent investigations and can be easily be made to depict something scandalous.

If the viewer is incapable of critically evaluating what's there, then sure (and I notice that a lot of Hasan's defenders do seem to exist in that kind of evidence-free safe space where it is just all competing tones of voice and firm assertions about what obviously happened.) In the world where someone can hold up and critically evaluate evidentiary claims, and see which ones generally make sense and which ones are clear self-serving deflection and bullshit, there is only one real answer to this issue.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (12 children)

If it’s a model which can shock or vibrate then everything checks out when it comes to Hasan’s statements

This is such a weird conversation lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZU2qy3CRk0

0:46: "I do not have a shock collar for Kaya"

1:09: "It has the capacity to vibrate and that's it."

3:51: "I do not have a shock collar for Kaya"

I realize you are just totally ignoring a lot of the other things I'm saying, like him pulling the other dog by the tail or various questions which obviously don't have good answers. But somehow even trying to pare it down to this super-simple reduced thing to focus on, you managed to focus in on an aspect where it is still clear that he is lying.

Your boy is dishonest, and your boy shocked his dog and then lied about it. If you don't want to address it any further, then I get it. It's a hard thing to defend...

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (14 children)

I don’t know if the objectively true things listed are well supported

They are.

Those are the three factual things I cited. What out of that is not factual?

according to the NY post article

Oh, well in that case lol

If it was a modified shock-only collar it wouldn’t be possible to vibrate it.

Not at all true. Shock collars can also vibrate (in general and also for the specific model in question). The point is that it was clearly a specific model that could either shock or vibrate, and he removed the prongs and taped over where they used to be. Watch the YouTube video above to see details and model numbers.

For Hasan’s initial suggestion that she clipped herself it doesn’t mean she necessarily did, only that he thought that’s what happened.

I will go back to: Isn't that weird to you? Like if your animal suddenly made a noise of pain, would you just decide on a random explanation that was a "suggestion" and start telling people that's what happened? What if she hurt herself? What if she needed help or had something stuck in her paw or something? What's the innocent explanation where he was super confident about his "suggestion" for about a day and then changed it to the alleged truth, which is that he doesn't know what happened? What else might be "suggestions" do you think? This is why it means absolutely nothing to me when Hasan "debunks" something by assuring people that it's not true: He's already clearly fine being dishonest, so why would I believe him about other stuff?

Yeah, the sticky was on the Hassan subreddit. Of course things likely changed since then.

What likely changed since then? Do you think discussion and debunking is now allowed on Hasan's subreddit? Or just everywhere else on Reddit as it always has been?

Another bonus: Israel's behind it

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (16 children)

I mean, it's objectively true that he claimed that Kaya "clipped herself" when he officially supposedly had no idea what happened (he later changed the story). It's also objectively true that he held up a modified shock collar on stream and claimed it was a vibrating collar.

Sure, I tend to read some speculations into those facts. What I'm asking for is what is the innocent speculation that could be read into those, the plausible explanation where those were honest things to do, that someone who was being aboveboard with their audience would ever do those things. And then, sure, I continue on from there to say that if it kind of looks like he could have shocked the dog, and then the explanation he comes up with for why he didn't is clearly this absolute whirlwind of misdirection and bullshit, then that probably means he shocked the dog and then lied about it. I don't feel like that's this wild out-of-pocket thing to conclude. Why he shocked the dog, I haven't said a word about, although I have my thoughts about it.

(Also, it's objectively true that when he was mad at one dog he grabbed its tail and yanked it over to where he wanted it to be. That one, I don't need to ask: It means in that instant, you're a piece of shit. I don't care what the motivation or reason behind it was, it's still painful and potentially serious injurious to the dog.)

I saw a sticky post on reddit saying no more discussion about shock collars

On Hasan's subreddit? I wonder why that is lol. That's not really Reddit deleting the debunking though. LSF is still happily roasting him for it multiple times daily with all sorts of new content (some of which is damning like the tail-pulling video, some of which I think they're kind of making a mountain out of a molehill of some minor clip because they're excited now, and most of which is too deeply embedded in this whole stupid streamer-universe for me to want to pay attention to.) Reddit certainly is allowing discussion of shock collars. I think you mean Hasan's subreddit is saying no more discussion about shock collars (which, good fuckin' luck lol.)

I'll only speak for myself, I was focused on fascism and genocide and protest, had half forgotten about this particular bit of streamer drama, and then today some more Hasan/Kaya stuff came into my feed. That's why we're here now.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (18 children)

My explanation is that there really isn’t enough evidence to say exactly what happened to make her act that way. She could have hurt herself or got startled or something else.

Why is it reasonable to you that Hasan had a ready-made explanation for what specifically had happened?

Most of why I think this is suspicious is Hasan's reaction and explanations for things being obviously dishonest. Saying that Kaya "clipped herself" is one example of that. It (and his overall reaction on stream at the time) seem like a very weird way to react to your pet suddenly showing that she's in pain.

I believe he showed that he has a collar which vibrates and demonstrated it on stream. It possible that the collar could also have a shock setting but that’s not proof he uses it that way when training.

I agree with all of that, sure. It doesn't really address the question. It's not that it's "possible" that the collar had a shock function -- it 100% had a shock function, and then he covered up the shocking parts with tape and claimed that it only had a vibrate function. Isn't that a weird thing to do? Or do you not think factually that all of that is how it happened?

Since this article there have been no supporting eye witnesses and no reliable secondary sources supporting the shock claim.

I mean, there have been no supporting eye witnesses and no reliable secondary sources supporting the vibrate / dew claw theory, but that doesn't seem to be stopping anyone. Most of the reason I am strongly anti Hasan on this issue is (a) just observing how he interacts with Kaya and other dogs (b) the fact that he's clearly being dishonest when he speaks about the issue.

Do videos like him pulling the other dog by its tail not bother you? Like would it ever occur to you to interact with a dog that way? For me it would not, and I think if someone near me did it I would yell at them.

Edit: Oh, also, why do you think Reddit is deleting this? When did they delete the debunking? The "debunking" video is literally still the top pinned post on Hasan's subreddit right now.

You go to a healthcare facility to receive healthcare, not to get to know the staff. They’re not your friends.

Not at all what I was talking about lol. I won't go into specifics but it was relevant to what he was recommending that I do.

My point was, people in positions of authority sometimes take the attitude that the people "under" them need to just accept that they have no privacy / dignity / safety even about sensitive or emotional matters. Which, I kind of get it, it's important to be truthful to your doctor even if it's some kind of sensitive matter. To a certain extent it's just business. But, at the same time, it sometimes leads them to be totally unsympathetic to the human side or approach things in an unproductive manner, for example expecting someone they met 30 seconds ago to be comfortable saying "Well how it got there is I stuck a BBQ sauce bottle up my ass on purpose because I'm a fucking depraved pervert and I love to do wanking butt stuff on my own time, last week I did a plunger and a toilet brush" and get surprised when there's any level of hesitation about that response.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Wait, why is there a Hasan stan community on Lemmy? Reddit is definitely not removing the debunking posts, they were stickied on Hasan's sub there for quite a while. Where is this getting removed from?

I can't believe we're still talking about this either, but sure.

Content creators and their fans became convinced that, in that moment, Piker pressed an off-screen button to violently shock Kaya, who – according to their telling of events – he has been secretly torturing for years. In the coming days, they reinforced their claims with clips in which Piker reached in a direction and Kaya, napping, did not make any noise but suddenly moved, as well as others in which Piker orders Kaya – clearly trained – to go back to her spot.

They "became convinced" because they studied the evidence from Hasan's own stream, including not just his refusal to do logical things like show the collar immediately during the many hours of streaming when people were asking about it (he only showed it after a break), refusal to identify which model of collar it was and claiming it was only able to vibrate (and then people figured out and proved that it was a shock collar which had been modified to look like a vibrating collar, poorly), other objectively abusive behavior like grabbing and yanking a dog by its tail, hiding the shock remote (which was exactly in the location he reached for during the CollarGate incident) when there was a camera up at a different angle that could see it, and so on.

He’s backed this up by showing the collar to his audience.

Lol

For the "did not shock" contingent: What's even your explanation for what happened? Was it a vibrating collar, or a modified shock collar? Why did he modify it and when? Why was he sure that Kaya "clipped herself" when he didn't see it happen, and why did he later change the explanation to that she didn't know how she hurt herself (and why are his stans still contradicting his explanation and insisting it must have been her dew claw and they know that that happened)? Do you think it was the dew claw, or do you think it's unknown how she hurt herself? I just want to hear what is the coherent explanation for what happened, and see whether it makes sense and lines up with what we can literally see with our eye balls.

 

This story was originally published by the Guardian and is reproduced here as part of theClimate Desk collaboration.

In the wake of the Trump administration’s announcement that it will overturn the rule which underpins virtually all US climate regulations, a Senate committee has launched an investigation into a suspected lobbying push that led to the move.

On Tuesday, the Senate environment and public works committee sent letters to two dozen corporations, including oil giants, think tanks, law firms, and trade associations. The missives request each company to turn over documents regarding the 2009 declaration, known as the endangerment finding, which the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said in July that it will unmake.

The finding enshrined that carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases harm the health of Americans. “Rescinding the endangerment finding at the behest of industry is irresponsible, legally dubious, and deeply out of step with the EPA’s core mission of protecting human health and the environment, and the American public deserves to understand your role in advancing EPA’s dangerous decision,” wrote Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I,), the ranking member of the committee. “I am concerned about the role that fossil fuel companies, certain manufacturers, trade associations, polluter-backed groups, and others with much to benefit from the repeal of the endangerment finding—including your organization—played in drafting, preparing, promoting, and lobbying on the proposal.”

Fossil fuel companies and their allies are threatened by the endangerment finding because it confirms in law that carbon dioxide, which their products produce, are dangerous, Whitehouse told the Guardian. It also gives the EPA the authority to regulate those emissions under the Clean Air Act.

The letter, which asks for all relevant private communications between the day Trump was re-elected in November to the day the EPA announced plans to rescind the endangerment finding in July, was sent to oil giants ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell, and BP, as well as coal producers, a rail giant, and two auto manufacturers whose business plans rely on fossil fuels.

“The only interests that benefit from undoing the endangerment finding are polluter interests, and specifically fossil fuel polluter interests,” Whitehouse said.

“The fossil fuel industry owns and controls the Trump administration on all matters that relate to their industry.”

The letter was also sent to trade associations and law firms representing big oil and auto companies. And it was sent to far-right, pro-fossil fuel think tanks Competitive Enterprise Institute, New Civil Liberties Alliance, the Heartland Institute, America First Policy Institute, and the Heritage Foundation, each of which challenge the authority of federal agencies, and some of which have directly praised the proposed endangerment finding rollback.

The Guardian has contacted each recipient for comment.

Because Republicans control the Senate, Democrats on the environment and public works committee lack the power to subpoena the documents. But the Senate committee still expects the companies to comply with their request.

The letter could send a signal to polluting sectors and right-wing firms that they are being watched and could set the stage for continued investigation if Democrats win back a congressional chamber in next November’s midterm elections.

Fossil fuel interests pushed back on the endangerment finding when it was first written, yet little is known about more recent advocacy to overturn it. Immediately following the EPA’s announcement of the rollback, the New York Times reported that groups have not “been clamoring in recent years for its reversal.” But Whitehouse believes that has changed since Trump was re-elected in November.

When Joe Biden was president and Democrats controlled at least one chamber of Congress, Whitehouse said “a request to rescind the endangerment finding would have just looked like useless, pointless, madness.”

“But now that they can actually do it in their desperation and with the mask of moderation pulled off, I think it’s very clear that they were directing this happen,” he said.

Under Trump, former lobbyists and lawyers for polluting industries such as oil, gas and petrochemicals have entered leadership positions at the EPA. “The fossil fuel industry owns and controls the Trump administration on all matters that relate to their industry, and they have subservient Republicans controlling both the House and the Senate,” said Whitehouse. “The change in power has allowed a change in tactics and attitude.”

Two environmental nonprofits have sued the Trump administration for “secretly” convening a group of climate contrarians to bolster its effort to topple the endangerment finding.

The EPA’s proposed undoing of the crucial legal conclusion comes as part of a larger war on the environment by the Trump administration, which has killed dozens of climate rules since re-entering the White House in January.

“The motive is to help fossil fuels survive,” said Whitehouse.

 

People gather before marching in memory of Charlie Kirk in Peoria, Arizona, on September 13, 2025. The widow of prominent right-wing activist Charlie Kirk pledged on September 12 to carry on her husband's work, after US authorities announced his alleged assassin had finally been captured. The 31-year-old Kirk was hit by a single bullet while addressing a large crowd at Utah Valley University in the town of Orem on September 10. (Photo by CHARLY TRIBALLEAU / AFP) (Photo by CHARLY TRIBALLEAU/AFP via Getty Images)

People gather before marching in memory of Charlie Kirk in Peoria, Ariz., on Sept. 13, 2025.  Photo: Charly Triballeau/AFP via Getty Images

It would be easy to believe America is tipping into an era of rampant political bloodshed.

In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, voices from across the spectrum sounded alarms that the shooting was just the latest flashpoint in a rising tide of violence.

Progressive commentator Hasan Piker, shaken after watching video of Kirk’s murder, warned his audience of “people looking for decentralized forms of violence.” A Reuters analysis was even more blunt, declaring Kirk’s killing “a watershed moment in a surge of U.S. political violence.” Even Utah’s Republican governor mused whether this marked “the beginning of a darker chapter in our history.”

These aren’t the first calls for open strife. When Donald Trump himself was shot last year, some right-wing figures rushed to declare it the opening salvo of a new civil war.

Are we on the brink of another 1960s-style season of political assassinations and unrest?

A funny thing is happening beneath the apocalyptic headlines: Rather than surging, key indicators of political violence and extremism in the U.S. have actually been trending downward in recent months. New findings from the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project, or ACLED, show that protest and extremist activity has dropped significantly nationwide.

In August, the number of public demonstrations in the U.S. plummeted by nearly 40 percent compared to the month before. A much-hyped progressive day of action called “Rage Against the Regime” fizzled with only modest turnouts, contributing to the sharp decline in protests.

And, perhaps most tellingly, organized extremist incidents — rallies, hate marches, militant group meet-ups — fell off a cliff. ACLED reports that extremist group activity dropped by over one-third in August, hitting its lowest level in more than five years. It’s part of a steady decline in far-right mobilization that dates back to 2023.

In other words, according to ACLED, by the time commentators were warning that Kirk’s murder heralded a new wave of violence, extremist activism on the ground was at a multiyear low.

Five-Year Low

The contrast between the panic-stricken narrative and ACLED’s hard numbers is striking. Yes, politically motivated attacks still occur and can be horrific. Yet the broader trend in extremist mobilization suggests less organized violence, not more.

ACLED’s data-driven analysis notes multiple factors behind the slump. There are possibly more clandestine tactics by groups. Leadership failures could account for a lack of organization. And a big one: There is a loss of “urgency” among extremist followers because they see their views reflected in mainstream politics.

It turns out that when your side is already winning, you don’t need to storm the barricades.

Even Princeton’s Bridging Divides Initiative, which closely monitors political violence across the country, acknowledges that incidents remained relatively low in 2024. Their analysis, grounded in real-time event tracking, confirms that, while we’ve seen marked upticks in threats recently, the overall trend in political violence has declined since the peak years around 2020.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, or SPLC, observed the same phenomenon in its latest Year in Hate and Extremism report. The SPLC counted 1,371 active hate and extremist groups in 2024, down from 1,430 in 2023. The group concluded the slight drop “does not signify declining influence” at all. Rather, it’s because many on the far right “feel their beliefs have become normalized in government and mainstream society,” according to the report.

In plain English: Why organize a fringe militia when your agenda is being adopted on Capitol Hill and made into policy by the White House?

This dynamic helps explain why the immediate wake of Kirk’s assassination hasn’t unleashed the spate of tit-for-tat violence some feared.

Why organize a fringe militia when your agenda is being adopted on Capitol Hill?

The far-right ecosystem, which in years past might have exploded with vengeful rallies or vigilante reprisals, has been relatively muted in terms of on-the-ground action. To be sure, there was plenty of online fury and calls for crackdowns. Offline, organized extremist events, though, remain in a lull.

The shock and outrage did not translate into a Proud Boys revival or a new wave of militias taking to the streets.

Energy on the left, meanwhile, is already flagging. Its protest movements have been quieter than expected during Trump’s second term.

Progressives pulled off several “days of action” earlier in the year, but by late summer the protests were losing steam. The energy that fueled huge anti-Trump demonstrations in 2024 ebbed, reflected in the 40 percent drop in protest activity.

At least for now, both sides of the spectrum are mobilizing less in the streets — albeit for very different reasons.

An Advancing Agenda

All of this leads to an ironic possibility: Political violence may be declining largely because the would-be perpetrators feel they don’t need it anymore.

The American far right, once relegated to the fringe, now sees its formerly “extremist” ideas being enacted through mainstream institutions.

As the SPLC report noted, positions that might have once only been pushed via hate rallies — anti-LGBTQ+ hostility, attacks on “woke” education, dismantling diversity programs — have seeped into legislation and school board policies.

In 2024, militant groups harassed diversity and inclusion efforts, and soon after, Republican lawmakers, egged on by Trump, moved to ban discussion of race and gender in classrooms.

After Kirk’s killing, White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller went on Kirk’s podcast to vow revenge on left-wing groups. Vice President JD Vance, for his part, announced his intent to attack two of the top liberal foundations and a historic magazine of the left.

Guns and intimidation aren’t necessary.

The decline in violent extremism is welcome, but the apparent reasons behind it should give us pause. What does it say about the state of the country when extremists stand down not because they’ve been defeated, but because they think they’ve won? It suggests that the battleground has shifted. The fights that once took place at the margins — in backwoods compounds or tense street protests — are now unfolding in courtrooms, statehouses, and school boards.

Liberals know it too: The relative quiet on the left could well be a sign of resignation, as if even the opposition recognizes that the hard right’s agenda has the upper hand.

America may be “a very, very dangerous spot” as one expert told Reuters, but not for the reasons cable news would have us believe. The danger isn’t an impending civil war in the streets; it’s a creeping normalization of hard-line political goals that no longer require mob violence to be realized.

The assassins and agitators are stepping back, confident that the system now carries their torch for them.

The danger isn’t an impending civil war in the streets; it’s a creeping normalization of hard-line political goals.

Still, Kirk’s assassination cannot be brushed aside. For all the evidence that political violence has ebbed, singular events can act as catalysts, jolting extremists out of dormancy. This killing could become a ramp toward a new future of violence.

If history is any guide, however, it won’t be in the form of clashes. The capacity, and appetite, for that kind of confrontation seems to have dwindled.

Today’s great danger likely isn’t open war in the streets, but the quiet march of an extremist agenda already advancing through institutions. That may bring with it an even greater violence.

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