PhilipTheBucket

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I would prefer not to speak with you. Please remove yourself from my curtilage. Good bye.

Seriously. Watching this video pissed me off. Notice, too, how precise the agents were about waiting for him to specifically invite them in while making it awkward if he did anything else, hoping he would.

No. You don't want to walk out and chat with them. You want to collect their business cards and call your lawyer and tell him about it. "Am I free to go back inside?" "Well, because I've got nothing to say." "Yes. Completely sure." "No, like I said I've just got nothing to say. Am I free to go?" "Okay, have a good one."

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Absolutely. Under normal circumstances, the full version of the guidelines is:

  • Go to the door, walk outside to speak with them without giving time for them to step in and absolutely without inviting them inside, and close the door behind you.
  • You do have to identify yourself, with a physical ID or with name and birthdate. It can be a crime to refuse under certain circumstances and unless you are crystal clear on the law it's probably a better idea to ID yourself rather than give them a reason to arrest you.
  • Cooperate if they want to arrest you or they serve you with a signed search warrant. Arguing or resisting will do absolutely nothing to prevent them from violating your rights, if you believe they are violating your rights, but it will get you some additional charges which can be pretty serious. If they say they need to pat you down for weapons, or announce that they are searching your car, make it clear that you don't consent, but don't try to physically prevent them from doing it, because that is a crime.
  • As far as any questions or searches outside of those specific areas, it is always Shut The Fuck Up Friday. Answer absolutely nothing. Agree to absolutely no searches. Say that if they're here for a criminal investigation, you will only speak to them through legal counsel and ask if you're free to go. They will start with harmless questions, they will be friendly a lot of the time, they will sound reasonable. Ask if you're free to go. Repeat that you have nothing to say. Be polite but firm, be patient, and shut the fuck up. Leave as soon as they tell you you're free to go, but otherwise just be chill and don't say shit in response to whatever they have.
  • If they do arrest you they may make it sound like a good idea to speak with them, because it will help you. It will not. It will help them build their case, that is literally the only possible reason they might give a shit about spending time with you. Anything that is actually advantageous about talking with them will still be advantageous after you've talked with a lawyer. Again, be polite, but shut the fuck up whatever they say or however they manage to make it sound.

That is all advice for the before times, sometimes it is wrong now. ICE in particular has a habit at this point of just giving up and going away if people don't come outside, and snatching them if they do come outside. It's hard to give advice in general, but I would say that if it's feds at this point, or if your local law enforcement is friendly with ICE, just pretend you're not home and just wait for them to bust down the door if that's what they're planning to do. They will either do that or something like it, or they will leave. Might be a good idea to put your phone on silent and text some people you know letting them know what's happening, too.

The only exception I can think of to this is if they threaten to send the K9 in, if you don't come to the door, and you may get bit. Are they bluffing? I don't know, man. Use your best judgement.

And of course, maybe it's a good idea now to make a bunch of noise, get your neighbors involved, keep the door locked, intimidate them back. There are so many scenarios that it's really just hard to say.

Anyway, if they do bust the door in (or pull you out of the car or whatever), it's a good time to practice your shut the fuck up skills. Don't say you were sleeping. Don't say you were in the back and didn't hear anything. Don't say you didn't answer the door because fuck you blah blah blah constitution. Just shut the fuck up. Why didn't you answer the door? "I've got nothing to say sir." Didn't you hear us? "I'll only answer questions with legal counsel." We were out there for a while though. You must have heard us. "Like I said, I've got nothing to say, sir." And so on.

Like I say things are changing. This is just generic advice. Things now are getting unstable.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's called motte and bailey. And yes, they do it constantly.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They can go to jail if they strike.

Edit: Honestly, what they should do is just quit. I hear Australia has been hiring up US air traffic controllers, and it is better for all concerned because the American controllers are super-qualified and the pace and structure of ATC is Australia is about 5 times more sensible.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Did they? It does say "by Reddit." Where did you learn this?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 29 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I like to think I know history, and I've been around longer than Platner, and I would never have identified this as a Nazi symbol if someone hadn't told me.

Take a look at this list of symbols and see how many you would have recognized. For me it is four: swastika, party eagle, odal rune, and SS lightning bolts. Maybe the wolfsangel and the SA emblem I would have had some kind of inkling that something about it was suspect. The death's head and the cross type patterns (even the KKK one) I would have had absolutely no idea unless someone told me.

Plus, of course, it is relevant that he had all the time in the world to express some kind of Nazi ideology including on his Reddit account which was suddenly de-anonymized without him planning to have any of it exposed, and there was 0 Nazi stuff in any of it. People are just happy they found this reason to be able to shit on him and have one less progressive candidate they may have to deal with as a competitor for horrible people like Mills.

It is not. It does appear on the list of a lot of symbols illegal in Germany today because of their association with Naziism or extremism, but it's obviously not the third most recognizable on that list (as well as having an obvious overlap with a general "yeah that's badass I want skull and crossbones" meaning, which seems obviously more plausible as the reason why this person who very very obviously is not a Nazi wanted to get this particular tattoo).

The fact that people are pretending so hard that this is a big deal and trying to force the connection between the tattoo and this person being a Nazi when there is literally no other reason known in the world for thinking he is a Nazi and quite a few to think he is not, tells you much more about them than it does about Graham Platner.

Straight up downplaying nazi iconography. Wow.

Wooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

He has been noted talking about the Nazi symbol several times throughout the years.

... according to various people including a single anonymous source quoted in Jewish Insider who claimed to have heard him talk about it years ago. They do have some other things they are saying about how upset they are about him, too.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Also I’m confused by your last paragraph there. If you’re not saying that these kind of tattoos never get by the military sometimes then how is it definitely false what the other guys claiming? So which is it do they sometimes get through like he claims or they never get through like you were suggesting and now have suggested once again they are with that sentence? Can’t be both.

You're becoming hoisted by your own control-the-conversation.

It is fine for a person with this tattoo to be in the military, because it's not a Nazi tattoo any more than the Iron Cross is a Nazi tattoo. That is an obvious conclusion that can be drawn just from the pure fact that this guy was in the military. It's only confusing if you are accepting the premise that it's an overtly and exclusively Nazi tattoo (to the same extent as having an SS lightning bolt or a swastika or something).

The objective fact of this guy being allowed to be in the military with this tattoo is a problem for the people who are pretending it's a Nazi tattoo, so one commenter tried to explain away that discrepancy by pretending that the US military is just lax and inconsistent about tattoo enforcement. I can actually believe that idea in some circumstances and depending on the details, but the person didn't know what they're talking about, so they doubled down about some weird aspects of what they were claiming in ways that revealed that they were definitely lying. They didn't know enough about the subject matter to make a well-constructed lie (which also betrays the fact that they were making up stuff they were talking about, which is it own whole type of interesting and important).

Hope that clears up your confusion.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

you don’t think it’s possible for US military personnel to get away with having Nazi or Ultra right wing nationalists tattoos

I didn't say that. Mostly, I am saying that this guy is very very clearly not a Nazi, and so the broad-spectrum freakout about this particular tattoo is an establishment funded psyop which people on Lemmy should not be dutifully freaking out about when prompted to by the media.

What I said about the military personnel side was just that the specific details of how that one other user is claiming it works in the military are definitely false.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
 

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Jacki Karsh in a December 2024 interview with Los Angeles Mom Magazine. (Photo: YouTube screenshot.)

When Israel launched its war on Gaza on October 7, 2023, following Hamas’s military offensive, Los Angeles-based journalist Jacki Karsh felt she had to do something.

“October 7th happened and everything changed for me because I knew this was going to be a war of information the second it happened,” Karsh said in a December 2024 interview with Los Angeles Mom Magazine. She went on to quote an October 2023 post on X by Aviva Klompas, the former head of speechwriting at the Israeli mission to the UN, that said: “The IDF is going to attack our enemies by land, sea, and air. And the rest of us are going to fight on the battlegrounds of academia, law, business, media, and every other damn front we can think of.” Commenting on the post, Karsh said, “So this is my front. Journalism is my front. And I am doing what I can.”

Karsh, who describes herself as “a six-time Emmy-nominated multimedia journalist,” said among the many incidents that convinced her to try and “shift some of the narrative” on Israel was when Al-Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza City was bombed on October 17, 2023. The attack quickly became a topic of dispute in the U.S. media after the Israeli military denied responsibility and blamed it on an errant rocket fired by Palestinian militants. “The story was reported incorrectly and then the correction was so muted, it was not like, ‘Wow! We just completely messed up this story,’” Karsh told eJewishPhilanthropy this past August. “They were getting more information from the terrorists who were responsible for Oct. 7.”

In November 2023, Karsh first presented the idea of starting a journalism fellowship to the Jewish Federation, a pro-Israel group that says part of its mission is to “support a secure State of Israel” and where Karsh has served as a board member in Los Angeles for several years.

Founded with her husband in 2025, the Jacki and Jeff Karsh Journalism Fellowship describes itself as “the world’s only journalism fellowship solely dedicated to Jewish topics” and bills itself as “resolutely nonpartisan.” The fellowship began accepting applications in July and its inaugural class of fellows will begin the program in January 2026. It centers around three retreats, held in Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., and New York, where up to ten fellows will engage with “leading journalists, scholars, policymakers, and innovators,” holding sessions on topics including “Middle East Misinformation” and “How to Cover Antisemitism.”

In response to an inquiry from Drop Site about how the Karsh fellowship can be “resolutely nonpartisan” when the founder claims it was created to help Israel win an “information war,” the director of the fellowship, Rob Eshmen, responded in an emailed statement: “The Karsh Journalism Fellowship trains and supports journalists committed to fairness and accuracy on Israel and Jewish issues. Jacki Karsh’s guiding principle is simple: the best response to misinformation and disinformation on these issues is excellent journalism grounded in evidence, integrity, and independence.” He added, “Our mentors and fellows will represent a wide range of political and cultural perspectives, and we encourage open, nuanced dialogue on complex issues.”

The fellowship has attracted 16 scholars and journalists from several mainstream publications to serve as mentors, including The Atlantic, Spectrum News, The Spectator, Ynet, Times of Israel, and two journalists at The New York Times: Jodi Rudoren, the former Jerusalem bureau chief for The New York Times, who now oversees newsletters for the paper, including The Morning and DealBook; and Sharon Otterman, who covers education, health, and religion in the New York City area for the Times and who has closely covered the Palestine solidarity campus protests at Columbia and other universities.

The New York Times handbook of “values and practices” for its journalists states they “should take care to ensure” any public engagements—including giving speeches, participating on panels, teaching classes and presenting at conferences—do not “create an actual or apparent conflict of interest, or undermine public trust in The Times’s independence.”

In response to an inquiry from Drop Site about whether having staffed reporters mentoring for a program whose founder has said it exists to help Israel win an “information war” represented a conflict with the Times’ standards, spokesperson Charlie Stadtlander said in a statement: “It’s ridiculous to suggest participation as a mentor in this fellowship is anything other than helping to build the reporting skills necessary for the next generation of independent journalists.”

Other fellowship mentors include CNN’s Van Jones, who recently issued an apology after drawing intense criticism for comments he made on HBO’s Real Time With Bill Maher on Friday making light of images of dead Palestinian children and saying they were part of an Iran and Qatar disinformation campaign; and Michael Powell, a staff writer at the Atlantic and a former national reporter at The New York Times, whose recent articles include “The Double Standard in the Human-Rights World,” that criticizes groups like Amnesty International and Doctors Without Borders for becoming “stridently critical of Israel.”

As the founder of the fellowship, Karsh has been an open and die-hard supporter of Israel in both her articles and public comments.

“The Israel story is on the facts side, so you’re already starting from a good place because the truth is at the end of the day—the IDF is the most moral army in the world,” she said in an interview with StandWithUs Campus in March. “The Israeli population is made up of Christians, Druze and Arabs and Israelis, Jews—it runs the gamut—and so there’s no apartheid there and I think if you just go through each of those things systematically, the facts are on the Israeli side.”

Karsh has described Hamas as “real life monsters” and compared Hamas to Nazis. She has also questioned the Gaza health ministry’s casualty numbers, which have been found to be accurate by the United Nations and even the Israeli military. “When numbers come from a Ministry of Health run by Hamas, whether that’s done deliberately or not, it influences how people perceive the story—and it can even shape policies,” she told eJewishPhilanthropy.

Karsh has also been highly critical of the Palestine solidarity protests and encampments on university campuses and the media coverage of them. In a December 2024 article in Jewish Journal titled, “Editorial Bias: Campus Newspapers Must Stop Marginalizing Jews,” she writes: “Student journalism at some of the most elite universities had already become a breeding ground for rhetoric that marginalizes Jewish voices and vilifies Israel.” Citing Columbia University’s student newspaper, she writes: “The Columbia Spectator has demonstrated systemic editorial bias against Jewish students by downplaying concerns about antisemitism and portraying pro-Israel positions as inherently problematic.” The Columbia Spectator received the Society of Professional Journalists award for “Best All-Around Student Newspaper” in 2024.

Commenting on the same topic in an interview, Karsh later said, “nobody is writing government policy based on a Tik Tok video but you read an investigative piece that’s produced by The New York Times, I’m going to bet you that some congressperson is going to quote that and is going to write policy based on it. That’s the problem, [students newspapers are] a feeder to all these mainstream news outlets that they’re carrying that bias with them into these spaces.” She added, “My focus is how Jews are being portrayed in the media, as well as Israel.”

To the best of our searching, Karsh has never publicly expressed any concern or sympathy for the tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians killed by the Israeli military in Gaza, including over 20,000 children, the displacement of 95% of the population, the widening famine, the destruction of civilian infrastructure, including homes, schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, and universities, among other acts that human rights groups, leading genocide scholars, and the United Nations have found to be a genocide.

 

Sheffield group Stop Arming Israel shut down the Sheffield-based factory of arms manufacturer Forged Solutions for hours today:

Sheffield arms factory: shut down

Protesters suspect the Sheffield arms factory is complicit in Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

Early on 8 October, Stop Arming Israel blockaded the River Don Site for a second time, having successfully done so in August too. The group had previously blockaded the company’s Meadowhall factory back in July on two occasions.

There was reportedly a heavy police presence, but protesters managed to stop numerous cars and lorries from entering in the morning:

A larger protest followed at 11am outside the Meadowhall site.

According to a press release from the group, “Forged Solutions is listed on the Open General Export Licence for the F-35″ fighter jet that Israel has used to decimate Gaza. The company denies making F-35 parts in Sheffield.

Other protests targeting the F-35 supply chain took place in Rochester, Havant, Cheltenham, and Brough.

If politicians keep choosing not to act, ordinary people will keep coming back

A Stop Arming Israel spokesperson said the group:

aims not only to target complicity but also direct participation in the genocide in Palestine. Forged Solutions has a long history of supplying parts to companies like Pratt and Whitney and Safran Aero Booster which go on to make engines for fighter jets like the F-35, F-16 and F-15. All of these planes are used by the occupation in its genocide of the Palestinians meaning that Forged Solutions is a participant in the genocide.

A protester, meanwhile, explained that:

As Sheffield residents, we are left with no choice but to take matters into our own hands and blockade the Forged Solutions factories once more. We have lobbied the council and the mayoral authority countless times about the city’s complicity in the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people. We are two years into this genocide; campaigning is not enough. The most effective action we can take is to directly halt the activities of these factories – as we have successfully done on multiple occasions – and disrupt the supply chain of weapons being exported to Israel.

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1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn't want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he's doing his stream

2 is self-explanatory

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