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Maybe you saw the first petition against Bill C-2 on the House of Commons website (Petition e-6627) and maybe you signed it (that first petition is now closed and can no longer be signed). More than ten thousand Canadians signed it.

Over 300 organizations across of Canada wrote letters and other forms of correspondence calling for the complete withdrawl of Bill C-2. The first House of Commons petition called for the same complete withdrawl.

The government's response was to instead break Bill C-2 down into other bills, leaving Bill C-2 to pass later, once each of the broken-down components have been passed.

Maybe you have read the news from Greenpeace, which explains how the breakdown has occurred, and gives a pretty good summary of each of the bills.

https://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/story/72808/carneys-bills-explained-c-2-c-12-c-8-and-c-9/

That link talks about how Bill C-2 has been broken down into Bills C-12, C-8, and C-9.

Most of what was covered in C-2 still exists in those other bills, minus a few items that were left behind.

According to the Minister of Public Safety, what was temporarily "left behind" consists of "lawful access, postal services, and the $10,000 amount"

What is particularly discouraging is that the person who raised Bill C-2, the Minister of Public Safety Gary Anandasangaree, had the following to say:

https://openparliament.ca/bills/45-1/C-12/

"what we are trying to do here is ensure that Bill C-12 passes, with the expectation that we can work together on passing the elements of Bill C-2 that were left behind."

The Minister of Public Safety appears to believe that politicians and Canadians are easy to fool. Are we that easy to fool?

Even if we are fools of a Took, will we let our foolishness stand in our way?

Here are some steps that we can take.

  1. Sign the Greenpeace petition.

https://act.greenpeace.ca/en-ca/stop-strong-borders-act

  1. Sign the second House of Commons petition against Bill C-2. It is very well written.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-6838

Petition e-6838 Text

Petition to the House of Commons

Whereas:

- Bill C-2, titled the "Strong Borders Act," contains provisions that threaten fundamental rights and freedoms protected under Canadian and international law;

- The Bill would grant law enforcement and national security agencies warrantless access to Canadians' historical associations with organizations and businesses;

- It would allow authorities to compel the disclosure of sensitive personal information, including geolocation data and contact details, based merely on suspicion of relevance to the investigation of offences under Acts of Parliament, regardless of individual involvement;

- The Bill is designed to facilitate Canada's alignment with the United States' CLOUD Act and the United Nations Cybercrime Convention, raising serious concerns about foreign access to Canadians' private data, including by regimes with poor human rights records; and

- Bill C-2 undermines Canada's obligations under international human rights instruments, particularly in relation to privacy rights and the fair treatment of migrants and refugees.

We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of Canada, call upon the House of Commons to:

1] Immediately withdraw Bill C-2 in its entirety;

2] Reaffirm Canada's commitment to privacy, civil liberties, and international human rights standards;

3] Reject any legislative or policy initiatives that would enable foreign states, including the United States, to gain undue access to Canadians' personal information; and

4] Ensure that national security and border-related legislation upholds the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and is subject to meaningful judicial oversight.

Closed for signature: January 27, 2026, at 12:27 p.m. (EDT)

Direct link for signing (save one click): https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Sign/e-6838

Note that any Canadian citizen or Canadian resident of any age can sign a petition on the House of Commons website. Fake accounts are not acceptable and may be dealt with as a breach of privilege.

  1. Write email messages to the committees for Bills C-12, C-8, and C-9, and CC your Member of Parliament. There is a short time period where you can write in. Be respectful in what you write and committees will read and listen.

Bills C-12 and C-8

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/SECU/Contact

Bill C-9

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/JUST/Contact

Note that Bill C-2 has not yet been sent to committee and thus we cannot yet write to a committee about it, but we can contact our individual Members of Parliament about it.

  1. Share this post with others outside of Lemmy.
[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Thanks go out to RodgeGrabTheCat and Rentlar for pointing out the ever-changing landscape of this legislation.

Greenpeace talks about how C-2 has been repackaged into C-2 plus C-12, C-8, and C-9. Many of the problems which people expressed concerns about still remain. C-2 has also not been withdrawn and may continue to remain a threat.

In the same article, Greenpeace also still points us to sign their C-2 petition and so the C-2 petitions are still important.

Greenpeace Petition Link

https://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/act/stop-bill-c-2-defend-our-human-rights-privacy/

https://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/story/72808/carneys-bills-explained-c-2-c-12-c-8-and-c-9/ October 23, 2025 "Let's break down the biggest issues with Bill C-2 (now broken down into C-2 and C-12), and Bill C-8 and Bill C-9. All three Bills are being considered by the Federal government and pose serious concern to human rights, constitutional rights, and privacy rights."

Bill C-12

"the new Bill C-12 repackages Bill C-2 'leaving intact the measures to block refugee hearings, impose arbitrary retroactive one-year bars, and grant ministers mass immigration status-cancellation powers.' This would allow the government to cancel en masse people's immigration applications and even cancel visas or permanent residence cards of people already in the country."

Bill C-8

"give the Minister powers to break encryption security and install backdoors into Canada’s networks for surveillance purposes. This means that the government could surveil all your online activities from banking to personal communications."

"the bill would authorize warrantless seizure of sensitive private information; and collect and share communications, metadata, locational, and financial data."

Bill C-9

"Bill C-9 criminalizes protest, dissent, free expression, and assembly in a clear violation of charter rights."

"Bill C-9's intimidation and obstruction offences are overly broad, vague, and pose the risk of criminalizing peaceful protests."

Read for yourself and consider sending in your respectfully worded opinions by email correspondence to the Parliamentary Committees linked below.

Bill C-12 Links

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/45-1/c-12

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-12/first-reading

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/SECU?parl=45&session=1 (no meetings have been scheduled yet)

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/SECU/Contact

Bill C-8 Links

https://www.parl.ca/LegisInfo/en/bill/45-1/c-8

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/c-8/first-reading

https://www.ourcommons.ca/committees/en/SECU/StudyActivity?studyActivityId=13156377

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/SECU/Contact (yes, the same committee as C-12)

Bill C-9 Links

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/45-1/c-9

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-9/first-reading

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/JUST/StudyActivity?studyActivityId=13154115

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/JUST/Contact

New Petitions

How can we organize new petitions? The C-2 House of Commons petition was put together by a Facebook group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/VictoriaProtests/

I am not on Facebook and the same may be true of many Lemmy users.

If you are one of the users on Facebook, would it be difficult for you to join their group and point them at this thread?

Lemmy has users who will sign a petition. Lemmy probably does not have people who will band together to create petitions since you have to trust another person with your real name and your email address.

Facebook users know each other by name. Facebook users are suitable for banding together to create petitions.

Dual Lemmy-Facebook users can let the rest of us know about new petitions. Lemmy users can act as additional votes on each petition. Lemmy users can also spread news to their contacts outside of Lemmy.

Maybe this time when creating petitions, focus more on the issues and less on who to blame. Some people refused to sign the petition against C-2 because they felt that it was an attack on the party that they voted for. It's supposed to be about the issues. But, people are sensitive to the wording. Let's not lose valuable votes.

At the end of the day when a bad law gets enacted, no one is able to tell the police "Oh, I am sorry, you cannot arrest me because I voted for Party X." You will get laughed at and still go to jail or get kicked out of the country for doing things that are normal to you right now. Focus on the issues because it is the issues that matter for every Canadian.

Petitions are also a great way for youth to get involved in the political process and actually have a vote.

If you can help, please act quickly. C-12 has been sent to committee. C-8 is about to start committee meetings. C-9 has already started being discussed in committee meetings. Some of these laws may get passed before the end of 2025 if people don't collaborate on creating new corresponding petitions.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you for sharing. Let me look into it and get back to you.

 

If you are living in Canada or are a Canadian citizen living anywhere in the world, is it a terribly bad idea to inform yourself about important issues that promise to significantly negatively impact you and your loved ones?

Too Long; Didn't Read: At stake are multiple issues regarding Canada's treatment of human rights, constitutional rights, and privacy rights. Help in signing 2 petitions against Bill C-2, one on the House of Commons website and another one from Greenpeace. Help in creating new petitions on the House of Commons website to address many of the same concerns from Bill C-2 that were simply repackaged as Bills C-12, C-8, and C-9. Use linked online tools to express concerns to your Members of Parliament. Use links to contact details for Parliamentary Committees to write directly to those who can make amendments.

Omnibus legislation skips the normal Parliamentary procedure in multiple ways:

  1. It hastens the process, meaning that the typical time allotted is greatly reduced. The activities which get unduly rushed include listening to informed statements from expert witnesses, having healthy debate amongst Members of Parliament, proposing well-written amendments, and generally improving legislation to make it better for Canadians.

  2. It also means grouping together many different parts of legislation together into one package. A suitable witness for one portion of the legislation may not get heard due to not having broad knowledge of all of the topics, meaning that valuable and relevant information does not get heard and considered.

  3. It further means pressuring Members of Parliament to unduly vote the legislation through. Normally, there is much more time and effort allocated to improving legislation and normally, Members of Parliament have more of an opportunity to reject legislation if sufficient improvements cannot be made.

  4. It also means that the knowledge and experience of many Members of Parliament who serve as experts on various Parliamentary Committees will not be properly employed. Instead of assigning each portion of the legislation to the corresponding experts amongst our Members of Parliament, one Parliamentary Committee will have to act as generalists on all of these combined issues.

"What does that mean for me?"

One piece of omnibus legislation, known as Bill C-2, attempts to make significant changes to a wide variety of topics--too many topics for any one person to be able to act as an expert on the entirety of the changes.

Bill C-2 makes significant changes to many of Canada's laws and procedures in various areas:

A] Adding the ability to revoke immigration status for entire groups of people without the normal legal hearing process

B] Disappearing doctor/lawyer/accountant privilege of your information

C] Women's rights

D] Authorizing other people to open and read our confidential letter mail, which Canada Post employees have faithfully protected against happening since the time of Confederation

E] Impacting the ability to protest against important issues, such as wars or environmental concerns

F] A disappearance of decades' worth of protections offered to Canadians by the wise jurisprudence of our Supreme Court

G] Information about Canadians that is stored safely and separately in various government departments will be amalgamated into comprehensive profiles about Canadians and made available to a much greater number of eyes

H] Sensitive data about Canadians being prepared to be shared with foreign entities

I] Multiple old pieces of legislation that had previously failed the Parliamentary process due to well-debated and well-supported reasons now becoming reintroduced as a part of this bill

J] Introducing the possibility to break encryption on our encrypted communications

K] Violating Canada's commitments to international human rights law

"That's way too complicated. Simplify it for me."

Okay, here it is: The legislation is too complicated! So, Canadians are asking the government to withdraw the legislation in its current form and break it up into its individual components. Members of Parliament would then be able to give those individual components the normal Parliamentary process, including having each of: relevant expert witnesses, sufficient time for informed debate, the proper expert Parliamentary Committees being assigned, and sufficient time to put in proper amendments.

In short, Canadians want the government to do things by the book, and follow the normal and proper Parliamentary procedures for all of these issues, one-at-a-time.

"Make it even simpler for me."

Some people have put together a petition. Other people have created tools for sending messages to our Members of Parliament. Provide your name and contact information, verify your email address, and that's it.

A petition exists on a Government of Canada website: https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Sign/e-6627

a) You must be a Canadian citizen or a resident of Canada.

b) You will need to provide your name, your email address, your phone number, and your partial address.

c) Your partial address consists of your postal code plus province or else just your country if you are living outside of Canada.

d) There is no minimum age requirement for anyone signing a petition, but each person must have a unique email address. Check out https://tuta.com/ if your family member needs a new email account.

e) Even "a Member [of Parliament] may sign a petition." https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/procedure-and-practice-3/ch_22_2-e.html

f) Do not submit fake information, since doing so "may be dealt with as a breach of privilege."

g) The prayer request of this Petition e-6627 is to withdraw Bill C-2, allowing the legislation to be properly broken down, so that each individual component may receive proper due diligence. If you agree with this goal, please sign the petition.

Open Media offers a tool for expressing your concerns: https://action.openmedia.org/page/173242/action/1

a) You must provide your name, your email address, and a Canadian mailing address.

The International Civil Liberties Monitoring Group offers a tool for expressing your concerns: https://iclmg.ca/stop-bill-c-2/

a) You must provide your name, your email address, and your location.

"Where's the news on this topic? I like to read news!"

Here you go: https://www.redreview.ca/p/bill-c-2-would-align-canadas-security

https://amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/bill-c-2-canada-attack-right-to-seek-asylum/

https://migrantrights.ca/actionslist/stopc2/

https://ccla.org/privacy/ccla-joins-calls-for-withdrawal-of-bill-c-2/

https://www.osler.com/en/insights/updates/beyond-borders-government-grants-itself-powerful-access-to-data-reduced-oversight/

https://act.greenpeace.ca/en-ca/stop-strong-borders-act

https://citizenlab.ca/2025/06/a-preliminary-analysis-of-bill-c-2/

"What else can I do?"

You can send a link to this message to anyone else on your list of contacts who is living in Canada or who is a Canadian citizen living anywhere in the world.

C-2's omnibus legislation builds atop of 2024's C-70 omnibus legislation. If you have a group of friends who care about saving Canada, would it be really difficult to take over the task of raising a new corresponding petition for 2024's C-70 omnibus legislation? For the proposed text to use, see https://mander.xyz/post/26444218

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Perhaps I explained it poorly. Getting a petition published now would make it visible to the public. It could have become a talking point.

According to the official website, petitions will not survive dissolution and will need to be recreated. Since petitions which make it to the website remain visible to the public, it could have become a historial petition which would have still been visible and searchable.

Dissolution of Parliament and Petitionshttps://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide The dissolution of Parliament (the period between the end of a Parliament and the start of a new Parliament after a general election) terminates the e-petitioning process. The petitions website closes at dissolution and all e-petitions not yet presented to the House are closed, and the obligation for the government to respond to all petitions also lapses. All petitioners will receive an email informing them of the status of their petition. Should a petitioner wish to pursue an issue in the form of an e-petition in the next Parliament, they must start the process anew approximately three weeks after the general election, when the petitions website reopens. Any signatures gathered prior to dissolution may not be reused; signatories who wish to support a similar petition in the new Parliament will have to sign again.

As it stands, we now just have a post on Lemmy which will get buried amongst the other Lemmy posts. But approximately 21 days after Parliament resumes, a petition could get created. And so people who are interested in collaborating on this petition happening at that time or on other possible topics can still get in touch with me at any time.

The bill has already received royal assent and has passed into law, flaws and all. It is still perhaps a lot more reasonable to ask for a bill to be undone than to have people draft another 100 pages of a bill which only undoes some changes.

Why raise the concept now? The primary and only stated reason which I could find for pushing the bill to become law expediently without due consideration and without necessary corrections was to be able to complete the registry and other parts of legislation by June 2025 or perhaps slightly later, ahead of an October 2025 election. This reason will no longer exist. Hence it would seem logical to create a new bill to repeal these changes and then spend the needed time to get the changes right in yet another bill.

As it stands, a lot of people may be going to jail who have nothing to do with foreign interference. As I said, do not threaten anyone, do not intimidate anyone, be very careful not to cause any damage during a protest, do not make use of violence, and a whole host of other things which could be used as justification for putting someone unliked into jail for life. No requirement exists anymore to prove any link to foreign interference and the wording makes it appear that it does not even matter if no such link exists.

If someone invades the country and you use violence, could you end up being placed in jail? Is it ridiculous? You tell me what you think.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Quite the opposite regarding the petition. It is true that there is essentially no chance of any of the outstanding petitions being read. What is important, though, is trying to get this petition going through as soon as we can. A petition which makes it onto the website will remain visible to the Members of Parliament and to Canadians in general, even after dissolution of Parliament, bringing the potential for a much wider audience.

The very fact that petitions are not allowed to include links demonstrates the risk-adverse technological policy applied to Members of Parliament when it comes to links, such as pointing out a thread on Lemmy. But they'll gladly visit a link on one of their own websites if asked to do so.

As for the possible methods for undoing a bill, that's why the wording of the petition asks for multiple possible actions, depending upon the timing.

Edit: Upvoting you for taking the time to raise good points.

 

Since this community is about being constructive, let me start off by saying there is a Canadian bill which passed in June 2024, Bill C-70, which can lead to harsher penalties for environmental activism and protest, including life-in-prison. A thread has been created to ask Lemmy users to coordinate and collaborate on creating a petition asking to undo the effects of that bill.

See https://mander.xyz/post/26781834

Now for quotations which may be the most relevant to this community.

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM_C-70_Brief_CBACJS_e.pdf "I am writing on behalf of the Criminal Justice Section, (CBA Section) to comment on Bill C-70, Countering Foreign Interference Act. The tight deadlines before the Parliamentary Committees have only allowed time for a brief comment on the criminal offences component of the Bill at this time."

"The CBA is a national association of over 40,000 lawyers, law students, notaries and academics, and our mandate includes seeking improvement in the law and the administration of justice. The Criminal Justice Section consists of a balance of Crown and defence counsel from every part of the country. "

"The Canadian Bar Association Section is also concerned about s. 52.1(2)(i) which deals with the sabotage offence. This section vests the executive with the power to prescribe, through regulation, what constitutes "essential infrastructure" for the purposes of the offence. This leaves a key element of the offence to regulation and thus subject to the whims of the government of the day. More particularly, some political parties have been critical of, for example, foreign environmental group involvement in resource development."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf "an environmental protest group which blocks a road to a significant natural resource development may impede access to energy and utilities infrastructure (s. 52.1(2)(d)) and could be accused of seeking to endanger Canada’s security (under proposed s. 52.1(1)(a)). Or, a civil rights group whose protest blocks several major vehicular intersections in a city may impede access to transportation infrastructure (proposed s. 52.1(2)(b)), which, it may be argued, represents a serious risk to public safety (proposed s. 52.1(1)(c)). These are not speculative examples. A broad definition of national safety is contained in other federal legislation. Under s. 3(1) of the Security of Information Act, for example, a “purpose prejudicial to safety...of the State” includes adversely affecting “the stability of the Canadian economy…without reasonable economic or financial justification”."

"It is also important to note the distinction between motive and intent in the criminal law to appreciate the limited scope of the s. 52.1(5) criminal liability exemption. Even if a person acted with the purpose of protesting or advocating on a particular issue, they satisfy the requirement to act with intent if they were certain or substantially certain their act would cause any of the harms enumerated under proposed s. 52.1(1)(a) to (c). In such cases, the sabotage (essential infrastructure) offence would still apply to them."

 

There is a bill which was rushed through in June 2024 known as Bill C-70. https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/C-70 It was reported by Committee that they were not granted sufficient time to work on the bill.

Numerous people have reported a significant number of flaws with the final bill, far more than enough to repeal the effects of the bill and rework it. Note that quotations are intentionally only obtained from websites provided by the Government of Canada.

1. Civil Libertieshttps://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-320/hansard#12770642 Honourable Michael Chong (Wellington—Halton Hills, CPC): "The bill would create a new offence of up to life in prison for a person who commits any indictable offence under the Criminal Code or under any other act of Parliament at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with a foreign entity."

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-320/hansard#12771238 Mr. René Villemure (Trois-Rivières, BQ): "Bill C-70 will also eliminate the requirement to prove that a criminal act benefited a foreign state or harmed Canada."

"Bill C-70 also provides for consecutive sentences and even life imprisonment for certain offences. I understand the desire to impose harsher sentences, but listen to what the Canadian Civil Liberties Association had to say. It said, and I quote:
The availability of life imprisonment for certain offences introduced under Bill C-70 is disproportionate and excessive. For example, a person convicted of an indictable offence under the Criminal Code, even as minimal as theft under $5,000, could be sentenced to life in prison if they acted for the benefit of a foreign entity."

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/441/debates/213db_2024-06-17-e#53 Honourable Yuen Pau Woo: "I hoped at the time that we could have a grown-up conversation about foreign interference so that we can avoid the excesses that I think we’re beginning to enter into. I failed because today we are in a fevered environment where there is, it would seem, overwhelming support — indeed, unanimous approval — for a bill on countering foreign interference that has manifest flaws in it that have been raised to all of us through a variety of sources in civil society, academia and from ordinary Canadians."

"Let me now get to a number of the flaws that I see in the bill that I hope others will pick up and that we can perhaps put some thought into ameliorating. These are only a few examples."

"The first has to do with the Security of Information Act where there’s a new offence related to political interference. I agree with the need to stop political interference from foreign principals, but there’s a special provision where there is an offence of preparing the act of political interference. It says that this offence is when someone does anything that is directed towards or done in preparation of the commission of the offence, “the offence” being political interference."

"In this provision, we are copying from the Australian example, where they also have a provision against the preparation and planning of an act of foreign interference, and they had their first conviction last year. Let me tell you that story."

"A Vietnamese Australian has been sentenced to two years in jail for the act of preparing or planning an act of foreign interference. What was that act? He organized a fundraiser during COVID, raising money from Vietnamese and Indo-Chinese-Australian communities to buy personal protective equipment and other medical supplies, and he donated that money to a hospital. At the ceremony where the donation was made, he invited a politician — I think he was a sitting minister at the time — to stand with him on the stage holding one of these fake cheques for $25,000 Australian. That was used as evidence that this Vietnamese Australian person was cultivating the minister for a future act of foreign interference."

"Just think about that. The Australian system is the Australian system, and they have the right to conduct themselves in the way that they want to. But are we going down the road where someone who develops a relationship with a politician or a public official who may have the potential to rise up the ladder sometime in the near or distant future, that that act in itself is a crime of planning or preparing an act of foreign interference? It drives shivers down the spine."

"I also like this registry in that it doesn’t use the concept of related entity, which is such a broad and vague term that it can capture just about anyone who is associated with an organization that is in some way connected to a foreign power. Instead, it uses the term “arrangements.” I recommended the idea of using the word “arrangements,” but I would have preferred that it focus on material arrangements because that’s concrete — a contract, a quid pro quo, a trip to Taiwan, for example, to Israel, to China or to Mexico. That’s a material arrangement. Instead, what we have is “. . . arrangements . . .” or “. . . in association with . . .” Here, I have grave concerns. What does “. . . in association with . . .” mean?"

"The best clue is found in the consultation paper that was issued by Public Safety in preparation for this bill, which gave us a case study of what I think they mean. Here is the case study."

"An academic has a meeting with a foreign principal. It could be a diplomat; it is somebody who represents another government. They have a conversation or maybe multiple conversations. Shortly after, the academic writes an op-ed that is in favour of that country’s position on a given issue. Maybe the academic also gives some lectures on campus in favour of or aligned — shall we say — with that government’s position. That example is described in the consultation paper as an act of malign foreign interference, and it is my interpretation that the intent of this bill and the use of the term “. . . in association with . . .” would capture the acts of that academic. But, colleagues, if an academic has a meeting with a foreign official and that academic later expresses a view which is closely aligned with the foreign government..."

"How do we know that the academic did not share the view in the first place?"

"Let me give you an example of why this is so problematic. An issue that will come before us very soon is the question of whether we should impose tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles, or EVs. Some of you know that the Americans have imposed a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs. The Europeans have imposed a tariff on them as well, though at a lower level. There is already a debate in this country as to whether we should follow suit. The automotive manufacturers and other lobbying groups are in conversation with American interests, including state interests, to suggest that we should impose a similar tariff for a good reason: to protect our industry."

"At the same time, there are voices in this country saying we should not impose a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs because it is against our interests in the fight against climate change. I won’t get into which side is correct here, but do you think that someone arguing in favour of a 100% tariff under the influence of, say, an American state-linked entity would get the same treatment as someone arguing against a 100% tariff who may have had a connection with a Chinese or Asian entity? I’m suspicious. I don’t know. This is the kind of question we should be asking."

"There is so much more to talk about, but let me say that foreign interference is a serious issue. We should not stand for foreign interference. I understand the febrile nature of this debate and that no one wants to be seen as being on the wrong side of it. However, a bad bill will not help us in our fight against foreign interference, especially if it is cast so widely that fundamental rights are threatened and it leads to the stigmatization of individuals and groups who are seen as holding the wrong views."

"We have not given this bill the scrutiny it deserves, and I fear we will come to regret rushing it through our chamber."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_ICLMG_e.pdf "Proposed s. 20.4 - Influencing political or governmental process – should be revisited to include more specific definitions and introduce safeguards against infringing on participation in the democratic process."

"This section is particularly problematic, given the ease with which unsupported or baseless accusations are made that protest movements, that seek to influence public policy, are influenced or acting at the behest of foreign actors."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf "Part 4 of the bill, which purports to create a foreign influence Registry, includes vague and broad language that contravenes the principle of democratic accountability. This language also raises concerns about the potential use of the Registry as a tool that could allow the government to monitor not only foreign influence specifically, but also, more generally, the international engagement of various actors, including foreign state-owned or funded media, academic institutions and charities, as well as international organizations such as the United Nations. These considerations potentially involve freedom of the press and privacy issues, as well as questions as to the place reserved for international organizations in Canada’s ecosystem."

"For instance, it is possible that an individual who has been in contact with a foreign state-owned media or academic institution and who has then engaged with the public with respect to a Canadian political process would be required to provide detailed information to the Registry as to the individual’s activities."

"Bill C-70’s definition of “arrangement” is also broad and notably includes an arrangement under which a person undertakes, “in association with” a foreign principal, to communicate by any means information related to a political or governmental process."

"The term “in association with” is not defined, and the comprehensive list of arrangements that will fall outside of the Registry’s scope is again left to future regulation."

"This vague language, which does not require a subordinate relationship between the foreign principal and the person, could possibly capture individuals engaging with the public while being or after having been in contact with foreign state-owned or funded broadcasters, charities, organizations, or academic institutions, in addition to international organizations such as the United Nations."

"the proposed sabotage (essential infrastructure) offence carries a significant risk of deterring and suppressing peaceful protest. For context, the proposed new offence does not contain language around foreign interference as an element of the offence, and is therefore applicable in wholly domestic matters. Among our concerns are that,

  • what constitutes a “a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or any segment of the public” under s. 52.1(1)(c) is undefined, and could therefore capture conduct that does not pose a direct or imminent risk of bodily harm, e.g. it may be argued that a protest that disrupts major vehicular intersections in a city poses a serious risk because it interferes with police or ambulance response times;"

2. The Final BillWe will examine just one small portion of the final version of the bill to explore some of the corresponding issues.

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-70/royal-assent "Part 2 amends the Security of Information Act to, among other things, create the following offences:
(a) committing an indictable offence at the direction of, for the benefit of, or in association with a foreign entity;"

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (“CCLA”) "is concerned about the scope of this provision and its exceptional penal consequences.
This offence results in life imprisonment – a potential sentence for criminal offences that are otherwise punishable by far lower sentences. For example, a person convicted of mischief in relation to property for the benefit of a foreign entity faces up to life imprisonment, instead of a maximum sentence of two years less a day. While foreign interference is a legitimate policy concern, it should not oust reasonable sentencing ranges for criminal offences which fall toward the lesser end of the spectrum."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM_C-70_Brief_CBACJS_e.pdf The Canadian Bar Association: "The CBA Section is concerned with the potentially overbroad and vague nature of the new criminal offences created in Bill C-70. We believe there is nothing inherently criminal about a foreign entity defined in s. 2 of the Bill. Sections 20, 20.1, 20.2, and 20.3 either create or amend offences done "at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with" a foreign entity (s. 20.4 does not contain the "for the benefit of language")."

"This language is only found in the Criminal Code about terrorist and criminal organizations, both of which are by their very definition, criminal entities with which no one should knowingly be involved. The use of that language in those settings is hence a very clear and deliberate warning of what constitutes a crime. In contrast, there is nothing inherently criminal about a foreign entity. Foreign entities can be states, opposition parties, or other groups that meet the definition under the Bill."

"Therefore, to apply the phrase "at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with", traditionally used for clear criminal entities, to entities that are not inherently criminal gives rise to a concern that the Bill has an overly broad ambit of the law. We have a further concern about vagueness since determining whether a group constitutes a foreign entity is a retroactive exercise based on a definition that covers many completely lawful entities. This is particularly worrisome given the potential life sentences that attach to these offences and the statutory bar against multiple sentences running concurrently."

The wording "for the benefit of" does not require an affiliation. It may be as simple as a Canadian happening to have the same thought as a foreign entity.

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_ICLMG_e.pdf "Bill C-70 also changes the Security of Information Act, including a new indictable offense for the carrying out of any indictable offense - including relatively minor transgressions - if done for the benefit of a foreign entity. This, along with other new or modified offenses, would be punishable by either life in prison, or consecutive sentences that could amount to life in prison, provisions that are normally reserved for the worst forms of crimes and raise concerns of proportionality in sentencing."

You may wish to read the bill in its entirety because there are clauses in there which demonstrate that social media will be monitored and which show that use of intimidation (which does not appear to be clearly defined) or a threat can send you to jail for life.

3. Rushed LegislationThe repeatedly stated reason for rushing was because it was expected to take at least a year, until June 2025, or later, to implement a registry and make other changes happen in time for an October 2025 election. I have been unable to find any evidence of any other reasons given for the need to rush the process. This reason is no longer going to apply if an election happens in March 2025. Some people might say that even if an election were to occur in October 2025, this reason for rushing is insufficient to overcome the negative impacts of Bill C-70.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-320/hansard#12771238 Mr. René Villemure (Trois-Rivières, BQ): "I repeat, the Bloc Québécois will support Bill C-70 in principle, but not at the cost of civil liberties. This is an absolutely fundamental issue that demands the utmost vigilance on the part of legislators. We are in favour of passing the bill quickly at second reading, but we would be remiss if we did not conduct a serious study in committee. This must not be rushed through."

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/441/debates/213db_2024-06-17-e#53 Honourable Salma Ataullahjan: "Senator Dean, thank you for your speech on Bill C-70. I’ve heard from stakeholders who are concerned that we may be rushing to make changes to our national security legislation which could ultimately impact Canadian civil liberties. I am concerned by the use of the term “intimidation” in clause 53. It lacks a clear definition, and yet it could lead to a person’s life imprisonment. Would you consider either removing the term “intimidation” from clause 53 or, alternatively, amending clause 53 to include a specific definition of “intimidation”?"

There does not appear to have been sufficient time to address this "intimidation meaning" concern in the final wording of the bill.

Honourable Yuen Pau Woo: "Barely two hours ago, 20 of our colleagues were at 1 Wellington to receive a technical briefing on Bill C-70. That’s less than a quarter of our complement of senators. I’m now standing before you, rushed to make a speech after receiving this briefing on short notice, with inadequate preparation, but, nevertheless, I would like to put some things on the record."

"The first thing, which should be obvious from my preamble, is that we are rushing this bill. There is no question that we are pushing this through with a kind of haste that is not becoming of the upper chamber. I think it is correct to say that at the technical briefing there were many questions that were not asked because of a lack of time, and there were many answers given that were, to some of us, unsatisfactory."

"Colleagues, the purpose of second reading, typically, is to talk about the principle of the bill. Let me say, first off, that I support the principle of the bill, but the idea of discussing the principle is in anticipation of the bill being sent to a committee where the details of the bill can be studied carefully and possible flaws in that bill can be scrutinized and possibly fixed. What we have instead, as you all know, is a pre-study that took place last week, also rushed, and when the National Security and Defence Committee meets tomorrow — starting 8 a.m., by the way, for those of you who are interested — it will go directly into clause-by-clause consideration. We are essentially skipping — leapfrogging — from second reading to clause by clause, and then, presumably, a third reading vote by Thursday."

"Colleagues, we are taking less time to review this consequential bill than we did with anti-terrorism bills in the last three decades — in 2001, 2012, 2015 and 2019 — all of which were passed quickly enough in the heat of the moment and were flawed. Some of them had to be fixed a few years later."

"You may remember, for example, the 2019 amendments to what was previously Bill C-51, the anti-terrorism bill."

"The likelihood of Bill C-70 is that it will go through to a third reading vote and pass before we rise for the summer — flaws and all. And perhaps we will have a chance down the years to fix some of those flaws, but in the meantime, the price to be paid by the flaws in the bill will be the individuals and organizations who will be trapped or caught by what I think is an overly wide and overly sticky spider’s web that is Bill C-70."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_ICLMG_e.pdf "This expedited study means that experts and organizations with limited resources have had to rush their analysis of the bill, and has made submitting briefs and appropriate amendments nearly impossible. While we are please to be submitting this brief, and stand behind our concerns, much of what we are recommend are preliminary suggestions that would have benefited from great time for discussion and elaboration."

"Rushing the parliamentary process, supported by a state of suspicion and ardent calls to protect national security, can lead to serious, negative and long-lasting consequences. An expedited study also risks missing ways the bill could be improved to better address issues of foreign interference."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf The Canadian Civil Liberties Association "wishes to highlight to the Members of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs (“Senate Committee”) its deep concerns about the way the study of Bill C-70, An Act respecting countering foreign interference, is currently taking place. This bill, which is almost 100 pages long, went through its second reading in the span of one day, on May 29, 2024. The very next day, the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (“House Committee”) began studying it and convoking witnesses, with a deadline for hearing witnesses set to 5 business days later: June 6, 2024."

"Despite the calls from several civil society organizations, including the CCLA, to slow down the legislative study’s pace so meaningful public consultations may take place, the House Committee is set to begin its clause-by-clause review of Bill C-70 on June 10, 2024. On the same day, the Senate Committee will simultaneously undertake its pre-study of the same bill."

4. Is it Better than Nothing?We are not in a situation of "Bill C-70 versus nothing." According to the Honourable Senator Dean, who introduced the legislation to the Senate, there was already comprehensive legislation in place as of the year 2019 for detecting foreign influence and for reporting this information confidentially to the government. Foreign influence was detected using existing legislation and it was reported to the government confidentially in the last election, leaving it up to the government on how to act on the matter.

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/441/debates/213db_2024-06-17-e#53 Honourable Tony Dean: "In 2019, before a general election, the government announced the plan to protect Canada’s democracy. Measures introduced as part of the plan included the Critical Election Incident Public Protocol, the Security and Intelligence Threats to Elections Task Force, the Digital Citizen Initiative, the G7 Rapid Response Mechanism, and the Canada Declaration on Electoral Integrity Online. These measures were in place for the 2019 election with the intention of countering any foreign interference attempts."

  1. Information on Petitions

A petition is not allowed to contain links, but quoting text from government websites may add strength to a petition.

  1. Proposed Petition

Petition to the Government of Canada

Whereas:

Members of Parliament were denied sufficient time to review Bill C-70 and to properly fix it in Committee;

Senate Member: "Colleagues, we are taking less time to review this consequential bill than we did with anti-terrorism bills in the last three decades — in 2001, 2012, 2015 and 2019 — all of which were passed quickly enough in the heat of the moment and were flawed.";

Senate Report: "Given the importance of the subject matter of Bill C-70, the committee is of the opinion that it would have benefitted from additional time to study this legislation.";

Thought crime: Canadians who align in thought with a foreign entity can receive life-in-prison even when no association with said foreign entity exists; and

House Member: C-70 "has manifest flaws in it that have been raised to all of us through a variety of sources in civil society, academia and from ordinary Canadians."

We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to:

1 Repeal/revert/cancel/undo/reverse Bill C-70 and its effects; and

2 Revisit the issues raised by Bill C-70 in sufficiently long Parliamentary sessions and Committee meetings to get things right.

  1. Next Steps

You can help! A petition has not yet been created. If you are willing to assist with the process of creating a petition, your help would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to contact me if you can provide support.

I am hopeful that Lemmy users will come together to create a petition, even though it means sharing your contact information with someone online.

Alternatively, if you are someone who could get maybe 6 friends or colleagues to agree to sign up for petition accounts, you are welcome to create the petition amongst your group.

https://mander.xyz/post/26444218 That link gives information about creating a petition account.

Feel free to "save" this post and revisit it.

Potential Members of Parliament to use for sponsoring a petitionHon. Mr. Charlie Angus charlie.angus@parl.gc.ca

Hon. M. Alexandre Boulerice Alexandre.Boulerice@parl.gc.ca

You may also decide it is worth sharing this information with other people you know outside of Lemmy.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My best guess would be that a minimum of five supporters helps to weed out some inappropriate petitions. Having more than five can help to meet the minimum in certain circumstances, such as someone falling critically ill and not being able to participate any longer. Having more than ten could create an additional administrative burden.

Supporters are expected to be valid people, actually be in support of the petition, and be responsive to email.

If we could provide more than 10, imagine what might happen. If 2000 people were allowed, those people might just be people from the initiator's address book who know nothing of the issue. The burden would fall on the House of Commons to poll each person until 5 of them agreed to the petition. With the realistic limits, the initiator is expected to be sufficiently serious and responsible about the petition process.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Great questions!

1] What organization is it?

The https://www.ourcommons.ca/ website is used by a part of the Parliament of Canada, and specifically, the House of Commons. For a legislative bill to become legislation (law) in Canada, two organizations of the Parliament of Canada, the House of Commons and the Senate, must each go through 3 of their own rounds of process. For each of these 2 organizations, as part of their respective third round, a majority of the respective organization must vote in support of the bill.

Even when these majority votes allow a bill to pass into legislation, it is possible that the legislation is great but it is also possible that the legislation is terrible, or somewhere in between.

The House of Commons represents the federally elected officials. It is also possible for a Member of the House of Commons not to be elected in certain circumstances, such as with Prime Minister Carney.

2] What is a petition all about and where does it appear?

As Charles mentioned, it is possible to submit a paper petition. This discussion will instead focus on electronic petitions but some of the information applies to either one.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/procedure-and-practice-3/ch_22-e.html "Petitions addressed to the House of Commons and presented to the House by its Members constitute one of the most direct means of communication between the people and Parliament."

https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/procedure-and-practice-3/ch_22_1-e.html "In Canada, provisions for petitions (long a feature of the pre-Confederation legislative assemblies) have always been part of the written rules of the House." Canadians have enjoyed the right to petition the House of Commons to comment on bills, legislation, or other matters affecting Canada, based not on the Constitution but instead based on well entrenched, centuries-old tradition and established precedent.

Practically speaking, petitions may fail to meet some requirements. If the petitioners do not want to abandon the issue, a petition will often have to be recreated. Improper language can be one reason. As another reason, 500 signatures are required before a chosen deadline. As another example, Parliament may get dissolved before a petition gets read and will need to be recreated in the following Parliamentary session. Some example petitions have been recreated 8 times, such as for repeatedly failing to meet the 500 signatures mark.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide "Once the deadline for signing a petition has closed (i.e., after 30, 60, 90 or 120 days), the Clerk of Petitions will proceed with a final validation of signatures. If there are at least 500 valid signatures, the Clerk of Petitions will issue a certificate to the member of Parliament who authorized the online publication of the petition. It can then be presented to the House by any member. A record of this presentation will appear in the Journals for that day and the petitioner, supporters and signatories of the petition will be advised by email after its presentation."

"The Standing Orders of the House of Commons require the government to respond to every petition presented to the House within 45 calendar days. If the House is not sitting on that day, the response must be presented at the next sitting of the House. The petitioner, supporters, signatories, and the member of Parliament who authorized the online publication of the e-petition will be notified by email when the response is tabled in the House. A copy will also be found on the petitions website along with the original petition."

https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/standing-orders/Chap4-e.html "If such a petition remains without a response at the expiration of the said period of 45 days, the matter of the failure of the ministry to respond shall be deemed referred to the appropriate standing committee. Within five sitting days of such a referral the Chair of the committee shall convene a meeting of the committee to consider the matter of the failure of the ministry to respond."

3] Do these petitions actually do anything?

Petitions bring formal awareness of an issue to the Parliament of Canada and to interested members of the public. If this awareness leads to many people signing a petition or if the issue is of great importance, the media may report on the issue.

When the House of Commons responds, while it may not take the requested action, it will attempt to provide helpful guidance on the issue. Related laws or regulations may be quoted. Advice for contacting more relevant people may be given. For example, if a petition was made to the House of Commons for educational reform, the House of Commons may suggest contacting provincial and territorial governments since it is those governments who look after education matters in Canada.

When it is in the power for the House of Commons to directly act on an issue, it is possible for a related action to take place.

4] What happens to my information?

The person who initiates (creates) a petition has their name, city, and province or territory published on the House of Commons website. This person should truly believe in the worthiness of the cause and should be willing to stand up for the issue being raised. If it is a truly noble, worthy, and appropriate cause, this person deserves our respect.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide "The petitioner's other personal information will be safeguarded on the House of Commons' servers."

The personal information of an initiator, a supporter, or a signatory may be used to contact that person by the "House of Commons' authorized personnel" during the petition process. For example, email addresses will be used for validation and phone numbers may optionally additionally be used for validation. "Data may be used for statistical purposes."

"None of the personal information provided to the House of Commons by a supporter or a signatory will be published on this website."

"a general breakdown of signatures by province and territory will appear and remain on the website along with each e-petition."

"Supporters' and signatories' personal information collected through the petitions website will be safeguarded for a duration of six months after the e-petition becomes inactive, or until the dissolution of a Parliament, whichever is earlier, after which it will be destroyed by the House of Commons' authorized personnel."

5] Guidance on inappropriate petitions

A petition should not include signatures from fake people and should not contain information known to be false. A petition should be cautious not to include potentially libelous or defamatory statements.

A petition should not be about "impertinent or improper matters" and it would likely be better to vent about these things on social media than to waste valuable time in Parliament, since a relevant action will not be able to take place.

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

1] As you say, it is helpful to have an account for initiating (creating) a petition.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Home/AboutContent?guide=PIElectronicGuide "Note: A petitioner may only have one e-petition open for signature in their name at any one time."

If Fediverse users are willing to collaborate together on creating petitions, we will need at least one registered user per petition.

2] It can also be helpful to have an account to support a petition.

"When you draft your petition, you will be prompted to identify at least five potential supporters (Canadian residents or citizens), but no more than ten, and provide their emails."

3] Regarding your point about logging in not helping with signing a petition, I agree with you it would be expected and helpful to be able to more easily sign a petition after logging in.

Maybe you found a bug. Maybe it is a cookies issue. Maybe it was not designed the way we might expect. Let me contact them to see what they have to say and at a minimum raise a feature request with them to make it work the way we might expect.

4] Regardless, "The House of Commons' authorized personnel will have access to the personal information of a petitioner, supporter and signatory, and may use it to contact them or to validate their identity to ensure the integrity of the e-petition process."

Because of uncertainty in how the validation process is conducted, it may be helpful for people to sign up for accounts over time, leaving sufficient time for validation.

Because of the issue for 3], the most compelling reasons at this time are to be prepared to help with 1] and 2].

[–] KeepHopeAlive@mander.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

You probably needed a lot of finesse to use this tool well. If you rotate it too quickly, you risk pages flipping in the generated wind.

You might want a way to mark your place on a page, similar to the idea of a scrollbar in a browser.

You also have the contemporary issue of opening too many books (tabs) to have enough time to read them.

Standing could become tiring and sitting might require careful positioning to avoid hitting yourself.

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There is a bill which was rushed through in June 2024 known as 44th Parliament Bill C-70. https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/C-70 It was reported by Committee that they were not granted sufficient time to work on the bill.

Numerous people have reported a significant number of flaws with the final bill, far more than enough to repeal the effects of the bill and rework it. Canada Post also takes a significant blow, which has a direct impact on postal workers. Note that quotations are intentionally only obtained from websites provided by the Government of Canada.

A Canadian citizen or resident will need to create a petition. 5 to 10 Canadian citizens or residents must be named as supporters of the petition.

UPDATE: An attempt to organize the members of this anonymous forum to act as the minimum 5 supporters has failed. People are understandably unwilling to share their names and email addresses with a stranger online. There have been a lot of voices who said they would vote for the petition if someone else created it. A volunteer will need to step up to create the petition and organize the supporters because I have failed to do so. If you are a Canadian citizen or resident who believes in this petition and have 5 or more Canadian contacts, would it be a completely ridiculous idea for you to create the petition?

Here is an example petition to see what they look like: https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-6627

1. Civil Libertieshttps://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-320/hansard#12770642 Honourable Michael Chong (Wellington-Halton Hills, CPC): "The bill would create a new offence of up to life in prison for a person who commits any indictable offence under the Criminal Code or under any other act of Parliament at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with a foreign entity."

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-320/hansard#12771238 Mr. René Villemure (Trois-Rivières, BQ): "Bill C-70 will also eliminate the requirement to prove that a criminal act benefited a foreign state or harmed Canada."

"Bill C-70 also provides for consecutive sentences and even life imprisonment for certain offences. I understand the desire to impose harsher sentences, but listen to what the Canadian Civil Liberties Association had to say. It said, and I quote:
The availability of life imprisonment for certain offences introduced under Bill C-70 is disproportionate and excessive. For example, a person convicted of an indictable offence under the Criminal Code, even as minimal as theft under $5,000, could be sentenced to life in prison if they acted for the benefit of a foreign entity."

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/441/debates/213db_2024-06-17-e#53 Honourable Yuen Pau Woo: "I hoped at the time that we could have a grown-up conversation about foreign interference so that we can avoid the excesses that I think we're beginning to enter into. I failed because today we are in a fevered environment where there is, it would seem, overwhelming support - indeed, unanimous approval - for a bill on countering foreign interference that has manifest flaws in it that have been raised to all of us through a variety of sources in civil society, academia and from ordinary Canadians."

"Let me now get to a number of the flaws that I see in the bill that I hope others will pick up and that we can perhaps put some thought into ameliorating. These are only a few examples."

"The first has to do with the Security of Information Act where there's a new offence related to political interference. I agree with the need to stop political interference from foreign principals, but there's a special provision where there is an offence of preparing the act of political interference. It says that this offence is when someone does anything that is directed towards or done in preparation of the commission of the offence, 'the offence' being political interference."

"In this provision, we are copying from the Australian example, where they also have a provision against the preparation and planning of an act of foreign interference, and they had their first conviction last year. Let me tell you that story."

"A Vietnamese Australian has been sentenced to two years in jail for the act of preparing or planning an act of foreign interference. What was that act? He organized a fundraiser during COVID, raising money from Vietnamese and Indo-Chinese-Australian communities to buy personal protective equipment and other medical supplies, and he donated that money to a hospital. At the ceremony where the donation was made, he invited a politician - I think he was a sitting minister at the time - to stand with him on the stage holding one of these fake cheques for $25,000 Australian. That was used as evidence that this Vietnamese Australian person was cultivating the minister for a future act of foreign interference."

"Just think about that. The Australian system is the Australian system, and they have the right to conduct themselves in the way that they want to. But are we going down the road where someone who develops a relationship with a politician or a public official who may have the potential to rise up the ladder sometime in the near or distant future, that that act in itself is a crime of planning or preparing an act of foreign interference? It drives shivers down the spine."

"I also like this registry in that it doesn't use the concept of related entity, which is such a broad and vague term that it can capture just about anyone who is associated with an organization that is in some way connected to a foreign power. Instead, it uses the term 'arrangements.' I recommended the idea of using the word 'arrangements,' but I would have preferred that it focus on material arrangements because that's concrete - a contract, a quid pro quo, a trip to Taiwan, for example, to Israel, to China or to Mexico. That's a material arrangement. Instead, what we have is '. . . arrangements . . .' or '. . . in association with . . .' Here, I have grave concerns. What does '. . . in association with . . .' mean?"

"The best clue is found in the consultation paper that was issued by Public Safety in preparation for this bill, which gave us a case study of what I think they mean. Here is the case study."

"An academic has a meeting with a foreign principal. It could be a diplomat; it is somebody who represents another government. They have a conversation or maybe multiple conversations. Shortly after, the academic writes an op-ed that is in favour of that country's position on a given issue. Maybe the academic also gives some lectures on campus in favour of or aligned - shall we say - with that government's position. That example is described in the consultation paper as an act of malign foreign interference, and it is my interpretation that the intent of this bill and the use of the term '. . . in association with . . .' would capture the acts of that academic. But, colleagues, if an academic has a meeting with a foreign official and that academic later expresses a view which is closely aligned with the foreign government..."

"How do we know that the academic did not share the view in the first place?"

"Let me give you an example of why this is so problematic. An issue that will come before us very soon is the question of whether we should impose tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles, or EVs. Some of you know that the Americans have imposed a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs. The Europeans have imposed a tariff on them as well, though at a lower level. There is already a debate in this country as to whether we should follow suit. The automotive manufacturers and other lobbying groups are in conversation with American interests, including state interests, to suggest that we should impose a similar tariff for a good reason: to protect our industry."

"At the same time, there are voices in this country saying we should not impose a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs because it is against our interests in the fight against climate change. I won't get into which side is correct here, but do you think that someone arguing in favour of a 100% tariff under the influence of, say, an American state-linked entity would get the same treatment as someone arguing against a 100% tariff who may have had a connection with a Chinese or Asian entity? I'm suspicious. I don't know. This is the kind of question we should be asking."

"There is so much more to talk about, but let me say that foreign interference is a serious issue. We should not stand for foreign interference. I understand the febrile nature of this debate and that no one wants to be seen as being on the wrong side of it. However, a bad bill will not help us in our fight against foreign interference, especially if it is cast so widely that fundamental rights are threatened and it leads to the stigmatization of individuals and groups who are seen as holding the wrong views."

"We have not given this bill the scrutiny it deserves, and I fear we will come to regret rushing it through our chamber."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_ICLMG_e.pdf "Proposed s. 20.4 - Influencing political or governmental process - should be revisited to include more specific definitions and introduce safeguards against infringing on participation in the democratic process."

"This section is particularly problematic, given the ease with which unsupported or baseless accusations are made that protest movements, that seek to influence public policy, are influenced or acting at the behest of foreign actors."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf "Part 4 of the bill, which purports to create a foreign influence Registry, includes vague and broad language that contravenes the principle of democratic accountability. This language also raises concerns about the potential use of the Registry as a tool that could allow the government to monitor not only foreign influence specifically, but also, more generally, the international engagement of various actors, including foreign state-owned or funded media, academic institutions and charities, as well as international organizations such as the United Nations. These considerations potentially involve freedom of the press and privacy issues, as well as questions as to the place reserved for international organizations in Canada's ecosystem."

"For instance, it is possible that an individual who has been in contact with a foreign state-owned media or academic institution and who has then engaged with the public with respect to a Canadian political process would be required to provide detailed information to the Registry as to the individual's activities."

"Bill C-70's definition of 'arrangement' is also broad and notably includes an arrangement under which a person undertakes, 'in association with' a foreign principal, to communicate by any means information related to a political or governmental process."

"The term 'in association with' is not defined, and the comprehensive list of arrangements that will fall outside of the Registry's scope is again left to future regulation."

"This vague language, which does not require a subordinate relationship between the foreign principal and the person, could possibly capture individuals engaging with the public while being or after having been in contact with foreign state-owned or funded broadcasters, charities, organizations, or academic institutions, in addition to international organizations such as the United Nations."

"the proposed sabotage (essential infrastructure) offence carries a significant risk of deterring and suppressing peaceful protest. For context, the proposed new offence does not contain language around foreign interference as an element of the offence, and is therefore applicable in wholly domestic matters. Among our concerns are that,

  • what constitutes a 'a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or any segment of the public' under s. 52.1(1)(c) is undefined, and could therefore capture conduct that does not pose a direct or imminent risk of bodily harm, e.g. it may be argued that a protest that disrupts major vehicular intersections in a city poses a serious risk because it interferes with police or ambulance response times;"

2. Canada PostFor 40 years, Canada Post has been legislated as the means of communicating Canada's sensitive and confidential information.

Since the time of the Confederation of Canada, Canada Post has been faithfully protecting the confidentiality of communications of Canadians sent by postal mail.

C-70 removes the provisions for Canadian agencies and officials to communicate confidentially using Canada Post.

Canadian postal workers have already been significantly hurt by this loss of business to Canada Post.

There are still a significant number of datasets and other data to be communicated that would be better mandated as being communicated confidentially only through Canada Post or in person. Not all steps would have to go through mail, such as approval steps, meaning that the processes can still be significantly sped up, while the sensitive and confidential information should still be mandated as only being transferred confidentially by Canada Post or in person.

The new legislation also lacks provisions to stipulate how digitial communications should be end-to-end encrypted, should be encrypted-at-rest, should be stored only on Canadian servers on Canadian soil, and should be communicated and stored in ways that prevent foreign parties from observing the communications and information.

3. The Final BillWe will examine just one small portion of the final version of the bill to explore some of the corresponding issues.

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-70/royal-assent "Part 2 amends the Security of Information Act to, among other things, create the following offences:
(a) committing an indictable offence at the direction of, for the benefit of, or in association with a foreign entity;"

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) "is concerned about the scope of this provision and its exceptional penal consequences.
This offence results in life imprisonment - a potential sentence for criminal offences that are otherwise punishable by far lower sentences. For example, a person convicted of mischief in relation to property for the benefit of a foreign entity faces up to life imprisonment, instead of a maximum sentence of two years less a day. While foreign interference is a legitimate policy concern, it should not oust reasonable sentencing ranges for criminal offences which fall toward the lesser end of the spectrum."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM_C-70_Brief_CBACJS_e.pdf The Canadian Bar Association: "The CBA Section is concerned with the potentially overbroad and vague nature of the new criminal offences created in Bill C-70. We believe there is nothing inherently criminal about a foreign entity defined in s. 2 of the Bill. Sections 20, 20.1, 20.2, and 20.3 either create or amend offences done "at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with" a foreign entity (s. 20.4 does not contain the "for the benefit of language")."

"This language is only found in the Criminal Code about terrorist and criminal organizations, both of which are by their very definition, criminal entities with which no one should knowingly be involved. The use of that language in those settings is hence a very clear and deliberate warning of what constitutes a crime. In contrast, there is nothing inherently criminal about a foreign entity. Foreign entities can be states, opposition parties, or other groups that meet the definition under the Bill."

"Therefore, to apply the phrase "at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with", traditionally used for clear criminal entities, to entities that are not inherently criminal gives rise to a concern that the Bill has an overly broad ambit of the law. We have a further concern about vagueness since determining whether a group constitutes a foreign entity is a retroactive exercise based on a definition that covers many completely lawful entities. This is particularly worrisome given the potential life sentences that attach to these offences and the statutory bar against multiple sentences running concurrently."

The wording "for the benefit of" does not require an affiliation. It may be as simple as a Canadian happening to have the same thought as a foreign entity.

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_ICLMG_e.pdf "Bill C-70 also changes the Security of Information Act, including a new indictable offense for the carrying out of any indictable offense - including relatively minor transgressions - if done for the benefit of a foreign entity. This, along with other new or modified offenses, would be punishable by either life in prison, or consecutive sentences that could amount to life in prison, provisions that are normally reserved for the worst forms of crimes and raise concerns of proportionality in sentencing."

You may wish to read the bill in its entirety because there are clauses in there which demonstrate that social media will be monitored and which show that use of intimidation (which does not appear to be clearly defined) or a threat can send you to jail for life.

4. Rushed LegislationThe repeatedly stated reason for rushing was because it was expected to take at least a year, until June 2025, or later, to implement a registry and make other changes happen in time for an October 2025 election. I have been unable to find any evidence of any other reasons given for the need to rush the process. This reason is no longer going to apply if an election happens in March 2025. Some people might say that even if an election were to occur in October 2025, this reason for rushing is insufficient to overcome the negative impacts of Bill C-70.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/house/sitting-320/hansard#12771238 Mr. René Villemure (Trois-Rivières, BQ): "I repeat, the Bloc Québécois will support Bill C-70 in principle, but not at the cost of civil liberties. This is an absolutely fundamental issue that demands the utmost vigilance on the part of legislators. We are in favour of passing the bill quickly at second reading, but we would be remiss if we did not conduct a serious study in committee. This must not be rushed through."

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/441/debates/213db_2024-06-17-e#53 Honourable Salma Ataullahjan: "Senator Dean, thank you for your speech on Bill C-70. I've heard from stakeholders who are concerned that we may be rushing to make changes to our national security legislation which could ultimately impact Canadian civil liberties. I am concerned by the use of the term 'intimidation' in clause 53. It lacks a clear definition, and yet it could lead to a person's life imprisonment. Would you consider either removing the term 'intimidation' from clause 53 or, alternatively, amending clause 53 to include a specific definition of 'intimidation'?"

There does not appear to have been sufficient time to address this "intimidation meaning" concern in the final wording of the bill.

Honourable Yuen Pau Woo: "Barely two hours ago, 20 of our colleagues were at 1 Wellington to receive a technical briefing on Bill C-70. That's less than a quarter of our complement of senators. I'm now standing before you, rushed to make a speech after receiving this briefing on short notice, with inadequate preparation, but, nevertheless, I would like to put some things on the record."

"The first thing, which should be obvious from my preamble, is that we are rushing this bill. There is no question that we are pushing this through with a kind of haste that is not becoming of the upper chamber. I think it is correct to say that at the technical briefing there were many questions that were not asked because of a lack of time, and there were many answers given that were, to some of us, unsatisfactory."

"Colleagues, the purpose of second reading, typically, is to talk about the principle of the bill. Let me say, first off, that I support the principle of the bill, but the idea of discussing the principle is in anticipation of the bill being sent to a committee where the details of the bill can be studied carefully and possible flaws in that bill can be scrutinized and possibly fixed. What we have instead, as you all know, is a pre-study that took place last week, also rushed, and when the National Security and Defence Committee meets tomorrow - starting 8 a.m., by the way, for those of you who are interested - it will go directly into clause-by-clause consideration. We are essentially skipping - leapfrogging - from second reading to clause by clause, and then, presumably, a third reading vote by Thursday."

"Colleagues, we are taking less time to review this consequential bill than we did with anti-terrorism bills in the last three decades - in 2001, 2012, 2015 and 2019 - all of which were passed quickly enough in the heat of the moment and were flawed. Some of them had to be fixed a few years later."

"You may remember, for example, the 2019 amendments to what was previously Bill C-51, the anti-terrorism bill."

"The likelihood of Bill C-70 is that it will go through to a third reading vote and pass before we rise for the summer - flaws and all. And perhaps we will have a chance down the years to fix some of those flaws, but in the meantime, the price to be paid by the flaws in the bill will be the individuals and organizations who will be trapped or caught by what I think is an overly wide and overly sticky spider's web that is Bill C-70."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_ICLMG_e.pdf "This expedited study means that experts and organizations with limited resources have had to rush their analysis of the bill, and has made submitting briefs and appropriate amendments nearly impossible. While we are please to be submitting this brief, and stand behind our concerns, much of what we are recommend are preliminary suggestions that would have benefited from great time for discussion and elaboration."

"Rushing the parliamentary process, supported by a state of suspicion and ardent calls to protect national security, can lead to serious, negative and long-lasting consequences. An expedited study also risks missing ways the bill could be improved to better address issues of foreign interference."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf The Canadian Civil Liberties Association "wishes to highlight to the Members of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs ('Senate Committee') its deep concerns about the way the study of Bill C-70, An Act respecting countering foreign interference, is currently taking place. This bill, which is almost 100 pages long, went through its second reading in the span of one day, on May 29, 2024. The very next day, the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security ('House Committee') began studying it and convoking witnesses, with a deadline for hearing witnesses set to 5 business days later: June 6, 2024."

"Despite the calls from several civil society organizations, including the CCLA, to slow down the legislative study's pace so meaningful public consultations may take place, the House Committee is set to begin its clause-by-clause review of Bill C-70 on June 10, 2024. On the same day, the Senate Committee will simultaneously undertake its pre-study of the same bill."

5. Potentially Harsh Penalties for Environmental Activism and Other Protestshttps://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/SECD_SM_C-70_Brief_CBACJS_e.pdf "I am writing on behalf of the Criminal Justice Section, (CBA Section) to comment on Bill C-70, Countering Foreign Interference Act. The tight deadlines before the Parliamentary Committees have only allowed time for a brief comment on the criminal offences component of the Bill at this time."

"The CBA is a national association of over 40,000 lawyers, law students, notaries and academics, and our mandate includes seeking improvement in the law and the administration of justice. The Criminal Justice Section consists of a balance of Crown and defence counsel from every part of the country."

"The Canadian Bar Association Section is also concerned about s. 52.1(2)(i) which deals with the sabotage offence. This section vests the executive with the power to prescribe, through regulation, what constitutes "essential infrastructure" for the purposes of the offence. This leaves a key element of the offence to regulation and thus subject to the whims of the government of the day. More particularly, some political parties have been critical of, for example, foreign environmental group involvement in resource development."

https://sencanada.ca/Content/Sen/Committee/441/SECD/briefs/2024-06-10_SECD_SM-C-70_Brief_CCLA_e.pdf "an environmental protest group which blocks a road to a significant natural resource development may impede access to energy and utilities infrastructure (s. 52.1(2)(d)) and could be accused of seeking to endanger Canada's security (under proposed s. 52.1(1)(a)). Or, a civil rights group whose protest blocks several major vehicular intersections in a city may impede access to transportation infrastructure (proposed s. 52.1(2)(b)), which, it may be argued, represents a serious risk to public safety (proposed s. 52.1(1)(c)). These are not speculative examples. A broad definition of national safety is contained in other federal legislation. Under s. 3(1) of the Security of Information Act, for example, a 'purpose prejudicial to safety...of the State' includes adversely affecting 'the stability of the Canadian economy...without reasonable economic or financial justification.'"

"It is also important to note the distinction between motive and intent in the criminal law to appreciate the limited scope of the s. 52.1(5) criminal liability exemption. Even if a person acted with the purpose of protesting or advocating on a particular issue, they satisfy the requirement to act with intent if they were certain or substantially certain their act would cause any of the harms enumerated under proposed s. 52.1(1)(a) to (c).6 In such cases, the sabotage (essential infrastructure) offence would still apply to them."

6. Is it Better than Nothing?We are not in a situation of "Bill C-70 versus nothing." According to the Honourable Senator Dean, who introduced the legislation to the Senate, there was already comprehensive legislation in place as of the year 2019 for detecting foreign influence and for reporting this information confidentially to the government. Foreign influence was detected using existing legislation and it was reported to the government confidentially in the last election, leaving it up to the government on how to act on the matter.

https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/441/debates/213db_2024-06-17-e#53 Honourable Tony Dean: "In 2019, before a general election, the government announced the plan to protect Canada's democracy. Measures introduced as part of the plan included the Critical Election Incident Public Protocol, the Security and Intelligence Threats to Elections Task Force, the Digital Citizen Initiative, the G7 Rapid Response Mechanism, and the Canada Declaration on Electoral Integrity Online. These measures were in place for the 2019 election with the intention of countering any foreign interference attempts."

Bill C-70 is much worse than doing nothing and C-70 needlessly tramples on many civil liberties in the process.

  1. Information on Petitions

A petition is not allowed to contain links, but quoting text from government websites may add strength to a petition.

  1. Proposed Petition

Petition to the Government of Canada

Whereas:

Members of Parliament were denied sufficient time to review 44th Parliament Bill C-70 and to properly fix it in Committee;

Senate Member: "Colleagues, we are taking less time to review this consequential bill than we did with anti-terrorism bills in the last three decades - in 2001, 2012, 2015 and 2019 - all of which were passed quickly enough in the heat of the moment and were flawed.";

Senate Report: "Given the importance of the subject matter of Bill C-70, the committee is of the opinion that it would have benefitted from additional time to study this legislation.";

Thought crime: Canadians who align in thought with a foreign entity can receive life-in-prison even when no association with said foreign entity exists;

Sensitive data about Canadians which was previously protected by confidential Canada Post may be released to foreign, non-confidential cloud services. Provisions to keep sensitive data confidential and on Canadian servers on Canadian soil are lacking;

Blocking a road or choosing to cause any damage during a protest, even one without any foreign involvement, can lead to life-in-prison; and

House Member: C-70 "has manifest flaws in it that have been raised to all of us through a variety of sources in civil society, academia and from ordinary Canadians."

We, the undersigned, citizens and residents of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to:

1 Repeal/revert/cancel/undo/reverse Bill C-70 and its effects; and

2 Revisit the issues raised by Bill C-70 in sufficiently long Parliamentary sessions and Committee meetings to get things right.

  1. Next Steps

To create a petition, a Canadian citizen or resident should gather the names and email addresses of 5 to 10 Canadian citizens or residents who also believe in supporting the petition. There is no minimum age limit to support a petition but each person must have their own email account.

Next, a petition account should be created at https://www.ourcommons.ca/petitions/en/Account/Register

The petition account needs a person's name, email, phone, city, and postal code. Fake information is not acceptable and "may be dealt with as a serious breach of privilege"

Ask each supporter to also create a petition account, to speed up the process and to ensure that the supporters are serious.

Ask a Member of Parliament to act as a sponsor of the petition. An Example: Hon. M. Alexandre Boulerice Alexandre.Boulerice@parl.gc.ca

Email the Clerk of Petitions to review the petition: PMB-AED@parl.gc.ca

Create the petition at the same website where the petition account was created.

Remind the supporters to check their email accounts.

More information: https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/procedure-and-practice-3/ch_22_4-e.html

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