Funkler

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[–] Funkler@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Additionally a huge portion of the dead were at the techno festival and at the kibbutzim.

That's right, but that's also where the friendly fire took place, according to Asa Winstanley's article that I linked.

Look, all in all it's probably true that Hamas murdered several hundred civilians that day regardless. But I also don't think there's a viable way for a paramilitary group based in Gaza to do an uprising against Israel that doesn't end with several hundred civilians dead, as I explained, because Israel is a settler-colony and the use of settlers as the tip of the spear of the Israeli effort to settle Palestine is a central part of the project.

Moral comparisons between the actions Israel and Palestine take are always apples to oranges. You simply can't equate violence against the oppressed to violence against the oppressor. A future without violence against anyone is what the oppressed are attempting to build by defending themselves against their oppressors, after all, but you can't defend yourself without violence.

[–] Funkler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They didn't reply and my first account got banned, so just in case some smart-aleck is reading this thread in the future and they think: "Well they didn't say the tank man was murdered, they just said that some civilian was murdered after that picture was taken"

  1. That's a picture of tanks leaving Tiananmen Square after it had been evacuated. No one was killed at Tiananmen Square before or after this picture was taken during the 1989 protests. People were killed in other streets surrounding Tiananmen Square.
  2. @unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth did imply they believe the tank man was later tracked down by the government and killed., just after the video ends.

[–] Funkler@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those who interviewed the witnesses:

concluded that there were “reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the October 7 attacks in multiple locations across Gaza periphery, including rape and gang rape, in at least three locations.”

There wasn't necessarily 3 separate occasions of gang rpe, there were at least 3 locations where either rpe or gang r*pe occured. Later on they state that it was unclear that any of this sexual violence was planned at all,

Available evidence did not permit Human Rights Watch to draw conclusions regarding the specific identity of those who committed crimes involving sexual and gender-based, or whether these crimes were planned by the Palestinian armed groups who ordered the attacks.

My honest assessment here is that it's unclear how much Hamas is culpable for this. I'd encourage you to check out Norm Finkelstein's analysis of this report and others from his interview with Robinson Erhardt. I can fully understand if you want to err on the side of caution and say that this is condemnable in the absence of some evidence that it was only the actions of individual Hamas fighters disobeying orders.

[–] Funkler@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 days ago (11 children)

There will never be a time where principled anarchists are not also called "tankies" by liberals. If you believe in the use of revolutionary violence and the defense of a revolution, you will be called a "tankie."

[–] Funkler@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Thank you for a source.

Human Rights Watch was not able to gather verifiable information through interviews with survivors of or witnesses to rape during the assault on October 7, and there is only one public account reportedly from such a survivor.

[–] Funkler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You don't see why saying this about Gaza is patently absurd? They don't have a functioning government. The whole place is nothing but rubble and families trying to find the bodies of their loved ones buried underneath that rubble. They've been subjected to 2 years of constant aerial bombardment, as if the previous decades of occupation, no access to clean water or any economic contact with the rest of the world wasn't bad enough. It just strikes me as something one can only say if they don't know anything about the situation at hand, and they only know that Gaza is a city and Palestine is a country.

Like seriously, they live in a concentration camp. Would you say anything like this about the inmates of Auschwitz? Oh no, some of them are misogynists! Oh no, some of them have backwards social views on queer people! Can you do something about the gas chambers first before you deal with those topics, though?

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