Ferrous

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[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

A strawman, you say? How unfair of me. Let me confirm with you first.

If, in 8 years (assuming your grand plans for ranked choice or whatever have yet to take hold), the choice is between a democrat who wants 8 genocides and a republican who wants 10, which would you vote for?

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Okay, then enlighten me. Is capitalism an economic system or a cult?

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

So let me get this straight, you're saying that economic systems are cults? Your characterization of humanity is that we went from hunter gatherer cult, to agrarian society cult, to feudalism cult, to capitalism cult? This is the bizarre type of analysis that shows up when you refuse to do any sort of class-based analysis. You can't just throw the word cult around anytime you speak about systems that large swaths of people take part in - either willingly or unwillingly.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Great. See us in 8 years when you're supporting a dem who wants 8 active genocides above a repub who wants 10 active genocides. This is what your weird version of liberal "pragmatic" utilitarianism will get you.

I'll leave you with some Mike Davis:

In biology, one learns about a certain species of caterpillar that can only cross the threshold of metamorphosis by seeing its future butterfly. Proletarian subjectivity does not evolve by incremental steps but requires nonlinear leaps, especially by way of moral self-recognition through solidarity with the struggle of a distant people. Even when this contradicts short-term self-interest, as in the famous cases of Lancashire cotton workers’ enthusiasm for Lincoln and later for Gandhi, such efforts not only anticipate a world beyond capitalism, they concretely advance the working class’s march toward it.

Socialism, in other words, requires nonutilitarian actors, whose ultimate motivations and values arise from structures of feeling that others would deem spiritual. Marx rightly scourged romantic humanism in the abstract, but his personal pantheon — Prometheus and Spartacus, Homer, Cervantes, and Shakespeare — affirmed a heroic vision of human possibility.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago

You don't have control over your T levels, so this would still be body shaming. Why are you so hung up on penis size?

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Out of Trump's 35,000 hours as president, Booker expertly OBLITERATED 25 of them. Trump is done.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Strawman. Never did I say that the things you mentioned dont play a role in facilitating fascism.

Poor education, MIC, captured media, sure... all of these things facilitate fascism.

My point is that your analysis does not get at the heart of how fascism arises or why america is going full throated fascist in recent years. Why do we have poor education? Why do we have a bloated MIC? Why has our mainstream media been captured? Why is conservatism increasingly in fashion?

You're not going to get to the heart of these questions by ignoring class. You'll especially fail to answer these questions if you just blame some nebulous concept of "conservatism" wholesale. Youve correctly identified the symptoms, but you still need to take the next step w/ class-based, material analysis.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Honestly dog, this is exactly the right question. I get it. Shoutout to you for asking it. Truly.

From the liberal perspective, this is exactly how it goes. "I voted against fascism, yet fascism still festers. What gives?"

The liberal framework pushes the idea that electoralism is the be all end all form of political participation, but leftists refute this. Leftists say that you have a plethora of other tools at your disposal to express yourself politically: buy a gun, do mutual aid, join an organization, read theory, participate in local politics, etc...

If your question is earnest, I'd encourage you to read some Lenin.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yup.

What we are seeing now is a critical inflection point for liberals: do they do honest introspection and start to apply real criticism to the history of the US, or do they cover their ears and claim Trumpism is an aberration for which they have no reasonable explanation.

To put it simply, liberals now have a choice between

"Damn, this is really the outcome of the american political project, huh? How did we get here?"

And

"Trumpist fascism is un-American, and I am clueless as to how it took hold, but I am going to continue to vote blue no matter who!"

If the amount of liberals on .world bizarrely harkening back to the "good old days" of the founders, Reagan, Obama, and even dubya is any indication, I suspect most of them have gone with the second option.

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