CinnasVerses

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[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 6 points 4 days ago

I have noticed that the same rationalists who think Sam Altman is building Skynet are totally fearless about an ex getting access to their home address through an adtech data-broker or a friend at Google. They are sometimes paranoid about reporters getting information, but not as worried about who collects it in the first place.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Photogenic young women with quirky clothes or hair do well on TikTok. A Canadian journalist once quit TV news because among other things he was tired of the unspoken calculus between "does this journalist ask good questions?" and "are they hot enough to get camera time?"

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yes, Duncan Sabien had a child with Yudkowsky's ex-spouse and they are in a long-term relationship. I won't link because the ex-spouse seems harmless and unwell.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 3 points 4 days ago

A lot of people might enjoy attending a less-risky kink event to see that its like any other nerdy event from a LARP to a music festival to a craft workshop. Someone has to rent a venue, keep drinks and snacks flowing, deal with interpersonal conflicts, and clean up afterwards, and some people are mostly there because they hope to hook up or see cute people.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 4 days ago

Fanboy voice The Teacher wants researchers to read it so they will damage their brains and be unable to build Unfriendly AI before his breeding program ramps up!

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I have read a few pages of the Project Lawful thread, but I follow the ways of my fathers and crib from TVTropes.[1]

This thread is summoning some complicated feelings from "what consenting adults do is their business" and "this is not my kind of fun" to "in theory they take some sensible precautions but these people are incompetent and/or bad."

[1] When did not having read the book stop a Usenet warrior from posting?

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 9 points 4 days ago

Sometimes I sincerely wish I could go back

I miss when I thought these people were just Internet cranks too! I recommend either going mad from the revelation or fleeing from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I never heard of Justine Tunney before but she has a Wikipedia page.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This does show that female rationalists can organize complicated events when they really want to. I don't think any of the male rationalists we talk about would be able, although there are probably a few people at Lighthaven whose names I don't know who could keep an office job that was not also their polycule.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I would be fascinated to hear from kinksters who have run similar events.

They are keen on controlling contact and fluid-borne infections, but don't talk about airborne infection control. Rationalists have a "COVID is over and RSV sounds like a Linux distro" party line which separates them from alienated nerds I know.

Events I attend which combine alcohol and a risky physical activity have a one-drink maximum, or once you drink alcohol no more playing for you, not a subjective "Don’t drink too much."

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Who’s going to buy this profit-free stock selling for 100 times earnings?

I think its worse than a P/E ratio of 100. It is 100 times revenue. Earnings in this context mean profits, so a company which is losing money has no P/E ratio. The argument is that if $100 of stock corresponds to $10 of profit last year (P/E 10), that is probably a better buy than if $100 of stock corresponds to $5 of profit last year (P/E 20).

And yes, this looks to me like a crypto rugpull crossed with all the tricks which keep Tether prices and Tesla shares floating in midair.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There have also been Tantric workshops where participants were sexually assaulted. One reason I have been single for a while is that I learned too much about abuse in nerdy communities to feel safe and confident looking for partners. I don't want to talk about that when people have been physically or sexually abused though.

Edit / also allegations about teachers and disciples at the MAPLE and OAK Buddhist rationalist cult

 

We often mix up two bloggers named Scott. One of Jeffrey Epstein's victims says that she was abused by a white-haired psychology professor or Harvard professor named Stephen. In 2020, Vice observed that two Harvard faculty members with known ties to Epstein fit that description (a Steven and a Stephen). The older of the two taught the younger. The younger denies that he met or had sex with the victim. What kind of workplace has two people who can be reasonably suspected of an act like that?

I am being very careful about talking about this.

 

An opposition between altruism and selfishness seems important to Yud. 23-year-old Yud said "I was pretty much entirely altruistic in terms of raw motivations" and his Pathfinder fic has a whole theology of selfishness. His protagonists have a deep longing to be world-historical figures and be admired by the world. Dreams of controlling and manipulating people to get what you want are woven into his community like mould spores in a condemned building.

Has anyone unpicked this? Is talking about selfishness and altrusm common in LessWrong like pretending to use Bayesian statistics?

 

I used to think that psychiatry-blogging was Scott Alexander's most useful/least harmful writing, because its his profession and an underserved topic. But he has his agenda to preach race pseudoscience and 1920s-type eugenics, and he has written in some ethical grey areas like stating a named friend's diagnosis and desired course of treatment. He is in a community where many people tell themselves that their substance use is medicinal and want proscriptions. Someone on SneerClub thinks he mixed up psychosis and schizophrenia in a recent post.

If you are in a registered profession like psychiatry, it can be dangerous to casually comment on your colleagues. Regardless, has anyone with relevant qualifications ever commented on his psychiatry blogging and whether it is a good representation of the state of knowledge?

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Bad people who spend too long on social media call normies NPCs as in video-game NPCs who follow a closed behavioural loop. Wikipedia says this slur was popular with the Twitter far right in October 2018. Two years before that, Maciej Ceglowski warned:

I've even seen people in the so-called rationalist community refer to people who they don't think are effective as ‘Non Player Characters’, or NPCs, a term borrowed from video games. This is a horrible way to look at the world.

Sometime in 2016, an anonymous coward on 4Chan wrote:

I have a theory that there are only a fixed quantity of souls on planet Earth that cycle continuously through reincarnation. However, since the human growth rate is so severe, the soulless extra walking flesh piles around us are NPC’s (sic), or ultimate normalfags, who autonomously follow group think and social trends in order to appear convincingly human.

Kotaku says that this post was rediscovered by the far right in 2018.

Scott Alexander's novel Unsong has an angel tell a human character that there was a shortage of divine light for creating souls so "I THOUGHT I WOULD SOLVE THE MORAL CRISIS AND THE RESOURCE ALLOCATION PROBLEM SIMULTANEOUSLY BY REMOVING THE SOULS FROM PEOPLE IN NORTHEAST AFRICA SO THEY STOPPED HAVING CONSCIOUS EXPERIENCES." He posted that chapter in August 2016 (unsongbook.com). Was he reading or posting on 4chan?

Did any posts on LessWrong use this insult before August 2016?

Edit: In HPMOR by Eliezer Yudkowsky (written in 2009 and 2010), rationalist Harry Potter calls people who don't do what he tells them NPCs. I don't think Yud's Harry says they have no souls but he has contempt for them.

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