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Ok, so what is Helena's game here? Why did she go and visit him?

It seems like she's stalking him to an extent, and comes up with an apology for the OTC - but this feels more like an aplogy for deceiving his innie during the ORTBO and feels guilty about it.

It almost seems like the start flirting a little, but then she calls his wife by a different name when she will clearly know it's Gemma. Surely she'd know this would piss him off? What was the point in that line?

Then there's a moment where oMark is about to leave and looks at her almost as if he recognises her but can't place her, in which he suddenly runs off and changes his mind about re-integrating. What was it that got him so spooked? Is it the idea that she might be behind Gemma "dying"?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This scene is discussed on The Severance Podcast with Ben Stiller & Adam Scott. S2E6: Attila, about 49 minutes in. They don't really dig into the answers as such, but here's what they had to say:

Ben: And you go to the Chinese restaurant and that's where we have this, you know, incredible sort of … we always called it the Heat scene.

Adam: Yeah. Mark Friedman, who was really digging into this scene [also one of our writers and executive producers] coined "the Heat scene".

Ben: Yeah. (laughs)

Adam: I remember hearing about it long before it happened. We always talked about it being the Heat scene, and …

Ben: And Heat being the movie … the Michael Mann movie, the scene where Pacino and Deniro meet for the only time in that movie and you know, the audience has been waiting for that moment. And we thought, "Well, this is kind of this moment where, you know, Helena and outie Mark are meeting for the first time …"

Adam: Mhm.

Ben: "… and what is that going to be about?" And I thought you guys did an amazing job with that scene and the writing of the scene I think is really, really interesting and there's so much under the surface and so many levels to what you're experiencing with her and what she wants from you.

Adam: Yeah.

Ben: It's really interesting.

[They play the audio of the scene.]

Adam: I loved this scene. It was fun to do and … it was just fun to kind of get this new dynamic between Britt and I and kind of figure out what it would be. And it ended up being--kind of having this charge to it, like these two people … Like, you know, outie Mark is scared shitless of this person and has no concept of who she is to him on the inside, but she does, obviously, and she knows they've actually slept together. So there's so much going on, but the fact that there ended up being this almost flirtatious charge to the scene was something that just really started happening while we were shooting it and felt really interesting, and …

Ben: You sort of dip into it and then you go away from it …

Adam: Yeah.

Ben: … and then you give in to it and then you're …

Adam: Well, she starts fucking with me by, like, getting Gemma's name wrong.

Ben: Right. What do you think that's about?

Adam: Oh, I--I think she's 100% fucking with me. Just toying, seeing what reaction she can get.

Ben: That's so interesting.

Adam: And she gets one.

Ben: It's so interesting because it's almost like some sort of a manipulation that Milchick would do on the inside, you know?

Adam: Uh huh. Oh, totally.

Ben: But it's Helena doing it on the outside.

Adam: Yeah. But maybe she's no… You know, Britt and I never talked about that, or any of … Maybe it's sincere, I don't know, but that's …

Ben: Yeah.

Adam: … that's how I took it then, and so …

Ben: I think it's, yeah, and when you think of all that's sort of, the baggage in that scene, like earlier that same day you both slept with each other.

Adam: Yeah. But neither of us are aware of that.

Ben: Neither of you are aware of that, but she's aware that she slept with you and you're not aware that you slept with her.

Adam: With either of her.

Ben: Either of her.

Adam: (laughs)

Ben: And that, to me, what's so interesting to me about that is, like, again, it's the question of like "What permeates? What permeates?"

Adam: Right.

Ben: "What is, you know, what pheromones are there?"

Adam: Yeah.

Ben: "What sort of--what's the memory there, what is the connection, what's the love feeling, what's the--" All those things, there's just so much going on to …

Adam: Yeah.

Ben: I'm sure as actors, there's just so much there to have just sort of waiting to, like, call up or you know, play with.

Adam: Yeah! Yeah, that's part of what was interesting about it, is that there was something there and it was entirely different from whatever connection or flirtation exists in either of the versions that we had done before. It was like this new, weirder, more lived-in thing 'cause both of these people have lived a lot longer than the innies.

Ben: Yeah.

Adam: And "grown-ups", more. It was just weird.

Ben: And we shot that at a great restaurant called Eng's up in Kingston, New York. It's a beautiful restaurant, and …

Adam: Great exterior, too.

Ben: Yeah. And then you're all freaked out, you come out, that sort of like spurs you to say "Yes, let's go and let's do the, sort-of, like the souped-up version of reintegration where she's gonna, you know, she's gonna inject the chip and really take it to the next level."

Adam: Yeah.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks! I'm actually leaving listening to that podcast but I'm the episode behind! Interesting that they talk about that scene.

Love this show, it's been a while since I've been hooked on a series!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I had to edit out a few more times Adam said "yeah" to get under the character limit, so please mentally insert one for every 15 words from Ben.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think she was trying to get a feel for

  • whether the OTC incident was sufficiently resolved or left Outie Mark trying to make sense of loose ends (especially in connection with Gemma),
  • whether or not the severance procedure was holding up (after she may have witnessed some disintegration symptoms while undercover or through surveillance), and possibly
  • if Outie Mark was over his supposedly dead wife yet
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I think there's also a layer of personal interest going on. Helly has a better love life than Helena does. She's lived this weird locked-down Lumon cult life with no meaningful personal or family relationships that we know of, while Helly has made herself a family on the inside.

Helena is jealous of the emotional freedom that Helly has. I don't think she boned Mark S entirely for the mission. The chemistry that Helly has with him, Helena has also--c.f. Dylan G/eorge and Gretchen, Irving B/ailiff and Burt G/oodman. Given their shared physiology, it's not surprising that Helena likes Mark, in any incarnation.

At this point in the season, she's also been forced back into severed life, so she's no longer able to see Mark S, the one person in her life currently who (albeit via subterfuge) actually seemed to care about her. Seeing Mark Scout on the outside is the closest she's got and she seems to want to probe that connection.