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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

As much as I'm glad that Andrew Tate is facing criminal charges, I think we need to address the root cause of our societal ills. Tate isn't the cause but rather a symtpom.

We really need to step back and ask ourselves why somebody so brazenly misogynistic has attracted a following of millions and has become a role model to teenage boys especially.

I can explain exactly why, because we've created a growing social underclass of men who cannot earn a living, cannot find a romantic partner, cannot live fulfilling lives, and anybody who they turn to either mocks them, fobs them off, or give them false platitudes, which is why they turn to toxic masculinity and the Manosphere for guidance.

The reality is that inceldom is largely an economic issue that has resulted from decades of stagnated wages which have disproportionately affected men, because despite our best efforts to create an egalitarian society, we still overwhelmingly find men unattractive if they are not the strong hunter-gatherers and providers that our biology has been conditioned over millions of years to find physically attractive. Our biology has not caught up to the millennia of societal progress we've made because evolution is a much slower process.

[–] Airazz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I can't agree with that. Being poor is not an excuse to be a shitbag. A lot of those guys aren't even trying to change anything, they put all the blame on corporations as if it somehow makes their behavior justified, and then spend their days on incel forums.

[–] like100dollars@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

They didn't say it was an excuse. They didn't defend being a shitbag. They offered an explanation. You may disagree with it, but you're not talking about the same thing here.

[–] Airazz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago

That's what I meant, I can't agree with this explanation. Economic disadvantages don't create incels.

[–] primevandal@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago

inceldom is largely an economic issue

that's such a reach. women are lagrely more economically disadvantaged, specially when you consider that men are paid more, are not straved off of promotions due to their gender, are not discriminated because they are women. rich/well-off incels exist, they are and will remain incels despite their financial status or attractiveness. they are incels because of their misogynistic beliefs (among other horrible traits).

the internet and tate has amplified the voices of this community since they are able to congregate anonymously and with no repercussions.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Hmm, I don't think I'm with you. You say men are incels because they're poor and can't find a girl. From what I've seen, they can't find a girl because of deeply rooted, misogynistic beliefs that turn people off. If also like to see your citation for wage stagnation affecting men more than women, because every study I've seen says the wage gap has stayed the same or widened in the last few years. I know many, many men who aren't the strong hunter gatherer type and have loving wives or girlfriends. The difference is those guys aren't assholes.

[–] bozaloshtsh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

they can’t find a girl because of deeply rooted, misogynistic beliefs that turn people off

People aren't born with misogynistic beliefs. They also aren't taught them in school.

also like to see your citation for wage stagnation affecting men more than women

I'm not going to google search for you, but it's pretty easy to see that wage stagnation affects men more because traditionally, men are expected to be the provider for the household and women have traditionally had the option of not starting a career and just finding a man instead. I'm not saying that women are not affected, but they have an economic "out" that men generally don't have.

I know many, many men who aren’t the strong hunter gatherer type and have loving wives or girlfriends. The difference is those guys aren’t assholes.

I'm willing to bet that they also have stable jobs. Also, if you're one of them of course you'd know a bunch of other men who are similar; this says nothing about a large swath of men that the grandparent comment is referring to.