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[+] Kraiden@kbin.earth 27 points 9 months ago (4 children)

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[–] smeg@feddit.uk 17 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Copying my own reply from a similar thread last month, the problem is that most users don't know they're public:

I think the issue is that many Lemmy users will think more carefully about what they comment than what they up/downvote, as a comment appears connected to your username but a vote doesn't. You might decide against commenting on something you disagree with because you don't want to get in a fight, instead just downvoting it, but if people then know if was you who downvoted can still pick the fight.

Basically the issue is you're revealing a lot more information than you might initially have realised if you'd have known votes were public all along. Maybe a disgruntled person uses that to dox you, or maybe a corpo feeds all that information into their fancy computer system to work out who you might be, who knows.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

We are in a world where big data is being collected and stored and analyzed by AI for every activity on the Internet, as well as an era of creeping global authoritarianism, and you are confused by why some people might be concerned about leaving an extremely granular, public, and permanent record of how they vote? Or rather, why they might strongly prefer that not be public?

[–] scott@loves.tech 5 points 9 months ago

And you also have to consider how other platforms treat upvotes and downvotes.

On many platforms, your upvotes and downvotes are not only visible, but sometimes result in a notification alert (i.e. someone commented on your post, someone liked your post, someone downvoted your post, etc.). It is not anonymous at all.

[–] Dil@is.hardlywork.ing -2 points 9 months ago

who cares, yall are so paranoid about everything, have the self awareness to know that you aren't important, let the corpos dox me and have all my upvote/downvotr information ill survive

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 12 points 9 months ago

Yeah, back when I first got started on kbin I thought the ability to see who upvoted and downvoted would be a boon to civil discussion on the Fediverse - it meant you couldn't sling mud anonymously. One of the most annoying things on Reddit is debating with someone that's insta-downvoting everything you say. I was saddened when all the major Fediverse clients all got rid of that.

[–] TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 months ago

While this arguably doesn't prevent anything on its own, it might expose what you just said - bot farms and sock puppets.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

on Reddit, you used to be able to opt into having your upvotes down on your user page

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Precision:

downvotes are only visible on Tesseract to mods of the community
upvotes have been visible on Mbin forever

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can see upvotes and downvotes.

I can see the list of users that upvoted every post/message.

I used to be able to see a list of users that downvoted. (data is there, just hidden)

So everything you ever upvote/downvote is tracked and everyone can see it at some point.

Your comment history is public, as is your upvote history.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How do you see downvotes? I was only able to see upvotes via this

The "Reduces" button cannot be clicked

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's greyed out only on some instances.

The data still exists if you wrote your own front end, you can look at it.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

I used yours in that case, fedia.io

Rewriting front-end should indeed give access to that data, as we know it's already there

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I personally think public downvotes should be a thing, people would think twice about downvoting unnecessarily.

[–] coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I believe people should be able to downvote whatever they want. People should be allowed to go against the hivemind. PieFed implements pseudonymous downvoting. For anyone worried about spam, they have powerful tools to allow admins to filter out people who do not contribute to the community, e. g. just go around downvoting everything.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have no problems with people downvoting stuff. But if you're willing to downvote something, you should be willing to stand by it instead of being anonymous.

[–] coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Sometimes though there can be cases of harassment based on downvotes. I won't mention no names, but recently I saw someone on Lemmy reveal (with evidence) how they were sent death threats and were harassed for something FAR more petty. If people like that can exist, then I don't even want to imagine what can happen when your disapproval of a person's opinions is public.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Here's the thing. Downvotes ARE public, just with a slightly higher barrier to access. Bad actors like that? Slightly higher barriers aren't an issue, they will walk barefoot over broken glass to mess with you. The issue under consideration here is whether to remove that barrier so normal users (not crazy ones) can access the same info that others can.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is no such thing as an unnecessary down vote

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Allow me to demonstrate

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Exactly, thank you for your cooperation.

[–] msage@programming.dev 10 points 9 months ago

I'm just upvoting MLP memes, don't mind me

[–] Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org -5 points 9 months ago

fuck bronies