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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Former DHS security systems designers here.

If you want to complain about body scanners, complain about the security theater, lack of privacy, or back-scratching of security industry lobbyists.

Complaining about non-ionizing radiation is RFK-level conspiracy bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Didn't the original full body scanners used at airports use backscatter X-rays, which are ionizing radiation ?

I believe these were mostly replaced by millimeter-wave scanners, and are not used anymore (even banned in some countries) but a lot of the initial pushback and debate surrounding the scanners when they were first introduced was about potential health risks of repeated X-ray exposure from those scanners, and so the idea of ionizing radiation exposure persists to this day in many people's minds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

That's true but the dose is incredibly low, about 0.03–0.1 μSv per scan. This is the equivalent to a couple minutes of background exposure or eating a banana. A flight new york to LA is 40μSv.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That radiation isn't going to harm you, let's not get on that dumb train.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's still degrading. Stand on this platform for no reason other than fucking spread your legs and raise your hands like the worthless criminal you are while we x-ray and photograph you, asshole.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

You made a mistake at the end there, it should be "photograph your asshole"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If we all chose the free TSA massage we could probably get rid of the radiation treatment

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

There's no way anyone could tell if a person got the so-called "radiation treatment" or not. Not even if one could analyse every single atom in the human body, because there are no changes due to that process.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dont have to come in with a rock hard dick, but they have to touch it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Ain't gay if it's tsa

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile, whatever no name corp has a fully loaded container of whatever material in the cargo hold under the aircraft that probably wasn't scanned, screened or checked because the airport, airline and loading companies all work on a system of trust in order to ship and load everything as fast as possible.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I always go pat down. I prefer to understand the scope of the privacy violation also I think it's good to have a physical reminder of the ways our privacy is invaded.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I got stuck on "mole-station" for far too long before I figured it all out..

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Ah, classic David Dees.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Or, if you're disabled, you get both

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

And it has Derek Smalls in the backgroung waiting for his turn.

Absolutely brilliant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I keep getting "randomly" selected for explosives testing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair they’ll get so underfunded they won’t work properly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

TSA never did work properly. Testers were able to get weapons and explosives through tsa 95% of the time. TSA is purely security theater.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n367851

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Any chance you’d know what would improve things?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Any chance? Why, are you thinking we've tried everything? or anything at all?

I'll assume good intent for a minute that your question is an honest one.

Lets start with people having rights in airports. Maybe you miss your plane if you assert those rights but tsa agents with a few days of training should not wield the absolute authority they wield. They are trained little better than rent a cops and their authority should be commensurate with that. They should be accountable for the experience they provide to the public. They should accept feedback, on a curve of course, and the bad TSA personnel should be fired. They need to be accountable for some level of professionalism when interacting with the public.

TSA should be trained in deescalation skills. Police should as well. This absolutist thuggery cops and tsa agents like to leverage should not be permitted in a civilized society, and there should be real avenues for the public to cite abuse. If we are honest with ourselves, there arent even handed ways to cite and act on abuse, and thats a reflection of abject effing failure of law enforcement and tsa's leadership. Yes, there are bad travelers, but theres bad authority figures as well, and the thoroughly planned lack of oversight shows that pretty amply. Where is the accountability with these little tyrants?

From there lets talk about their budget. Its bloated. They have ai programs for detecting threats that are completely unproven. Their equipment deployments are expensive and poorly managed. They should be given barebones security guard level funding because thats exactly what they are. Lets not pretend these are crime fighting heros. They are overpaid mallcops getting what results can be gotten from manning a metal detector. Thats it.

Cargo containers are not thoroughly searched-- we trust senders to be honest about whats in them. TSA's budget bloat can be redirected to beef up cargo security.

There are redundancies and inadequacies in the current process. Why not have some new process flows for bag scanning? Bag scanning is a chokepoint for people that should be distributed. The airport layout should optimize for this. Its not.

Why has TSA allowed Clear and other companies to sell a nicer version for the rich, that literally closes the walkway to allow their clients to saunter through the queue in a privelaged manner? That should never have been allowed. My time is not theirs to sell. That needs to be ended and the people who approved it fired.

Why am I not allowed to say anything that a TSA agent doesnt like? This is America, and free speech applies even in airports. They have taken this "terrorism" to an absurd degree and they need adult supervision. There should be no such thing as "contempt of TSA agent" that ejects you from your flight. I can consent to security, but I do not consent to mallcops being empowered to cancel my travel on their whim if they are having a bad day and feel bad about their life choices. I dont care if they dont like my tone or a joke of mine. Does it threaten anyone? No. Unless they find something like a bomb or a gun in my bag, they should mind their own effing business and leave us all alone. And if I ask a question, I should have an expectation that they will answer professionally.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

This was really cool of you to write out, must have taken a while. Thank you…I haven’t been in an airport in a long while, let alone an American one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Don't the body scanners allow them to see you in the nude? I thought I read an article about this years ago.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I love the tsa. Where else can I find out if I'm a terrorist. I go through life not knowing, uncertain