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    submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by _carmin@lemm.ee to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
     
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    [–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    If the average person can not use your OS, it is not ready. Period.

    For example:

    Windows - Open File Explorer > Add Network Drive > Find/plug it in > Enter creds > Bam. Ready to go and will automatically log you in at boot. Very nice, very intuitive UI.

    Linux - Open Dolphin (or whatever) > Network > Add Network Folder/Find it > Enter creds > Does not automatically mount the drive when booting the computer back up > Must go into fstab to get it to automount > Stop, because that is ridiculous

    In my own experience, I was able to get the hang of Windows with no one showing me how a computer ever worked, at the age of 10! Intuitive enough a child can do it.

    On Linux, you have to read manuals/documentation, ask random (mostly rude) people on the internet, or give up because why the fuck would I want to go and enter 5 commands just to have something as simple as auto mount a network share? Not intuitive, therefore not easy to learn as you go.

    I get it, Linux people like knowing how their computers operate, they like ensuring everything is working the way THEY want to, and that's awesome! What's not awesome is recommending Linux to the general populace and then getting upset at them for asking why they can't do something or why don't they just do these steps to do whatever it is they are having issues with. Then, you have a person who doesn't even know what a terminal is confused as hell because they were told Linux is so much better than Windows.

    Until we get a more intuitive (GUI focused) way of doing what I would consider normal computer tasks, it will not ever be ready. That's just the way I see it.

    [–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    the average person doesnt know how to mount a drive on windows or even what that is or why you would want to, they just need to be able to open a browser

    [–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

    Very good point!

    Example 2:

    I need to drag this file into my browser to upload it to the website I'm visiting for whatever reason. I'm an average user that has only ever really needed a browser. My OS came with Firefox, but when I try to drag the file onto my browser window like I've always done, nothing happens. Is my computer broken?

    No, it's installed as a snap/flatpak that doesn't have the "privileges" to do that, and I will never know that since I'm an average user who only needs a browser.

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    [–] Slotos@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago

    If the average user

    Proceeds to describe a task average users never perform.

    And no, you having been a smart child doesn’t excuse you being an obtuse adult.

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    [–] lorty@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

    This isn't really how this format works but ok

    [–] nerv@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 years ago

    Linux has been ready for the last twenty and I am not afraid to say it. Before moving over, I used to be the biggest Window$ fanboy you could find. I would literally preach at the smallest opportunity available and make everyone in a 10 meters radius around me groan and roll their eyeball so hard they would fall off their skull.

    Then I go and buy a new laptop that I was told didn't have a pre-installed OS after paying for it. Because I had zero extra money to go and buy a copy of Window$, I ask a coworker to hook me up with something and in the time it took me to go from the store to my job, I had a SUSE Linux disk waiting for me. Back in 2005.

    I unpack the laptop, we boot it to have access to the CD drive and the damn thing starts to boot into an unannounced Window$ Vi$ta. Apparently there was a Window$, unfortunately it was the wrong version, because at this point in time, for me, it was either Window$ XP or nothing. My coworker shows me how to setup up SUSE, which took all of two hours to achieve, including mannually configuring sound and graphics card. The machine is now dual booting.

    Out of morbid curiosity, I play a bit on Vi$ta. It's slow, clunky, things are not where they should be. The machine burns through the battery in under 2 hours, under conservative energy settings, while under an OS I was previously completely unfamilliar with I feel more at ease, using GNOME as my desktop and the battery management is good enough that those two hours of battery life get stretched closer to three. This is roughly a 50% increase.

    Remember I was this big fanboy? No M$Office, no WinAmp, no WinZip, no nothing. I'm lost. Right? Wrong. With zero effort, I get all the software I require for my daily life and then some. And it comes pre-installed. No need to rely on shady websites to get software. No hassle. No headaches. It just works.

    Fast forward today.

    I have zero machines in my home with Window$. I don't use it. I still know how to but I don't. I don't recommend it. I only advise using FOSS, if the person is a terminal locked-in Window$ user.

    So... Linux is ready.

    [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Unless computer companies include Linux with their PC's, it will never get general adoption.

    No average user will follow instructions on how to boot Linux distro installer, especially when there are multiple steps needed to do so, such as on UEFI systems.

    [–] turkelton@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    A Photoshop or affinity would be nice

    [–] shadeless@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Yes, affinity suite and dxo photolab or true alternatives is whats keeping me from switching :/

    [–] SamboT@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

    You getting downvoted for this is hilarious.

    [–] jaschen@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

    Install Mint. After the updates I tried to install Tailscale. Then proceed to uninstall Linux because I have install using terminal.

    The second I am forced to use terminal, I'm uninstalling.

    [–] atocci@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)
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    [–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

    Calling Linux's version of DVR a "viable video editor" is rich given that a. It doesn't work on most distros (it's designed for Rocky Linux. It throws a fit on any other distro. You need to jerry-rig it), requiring a whole thang to get it to play nice; and that b. It doesn't support any of the video formats and codecs people actually want to use, for seemingly no reason, since the Windows version supports those formats just fine.

    KDENLiVe is like, fine for a simple project, but you quickly start hitting your head on its limitations. Plus its UI sucks just in general.

    Video editing is the reason I keep a small Windows install, because sometimes I need to do video stuff for work and -- Sorry. No. No Linux video editor even compares to the likes of Premiere and Vegas. They're still barely above Windows Movie Maker.

    GIMP is a perfectly serviceable image editor, and yes, GIMP 3 is a major improvement -- But it's kinda missing a lot of things Photoshop users take for granted, and its UI and hotkeys are very idiosyncratic, which makes migrating very hard (... I sorta have the opposite problem though. I learned image editing on GIMP and all my muscle memory is GIMP oriented, so even when I'm on my 'time to work' windows install, I only really open PS if I desperately need one of its exclusive functions, cuz otherwise I'd have to relearn my whole workflow)

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    [–] wischi@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    "Linux is ready" - which distro? Fractional (sometimes even non-fractional) scaling is a mess. Most things that go beyond changing the wallpaper image need some command line stuff. Linux Desktop is for nerds and definitely not ready.

    Yes it works fine if you know what you are doing but most people don't. There is often not one thing of doing stuff, but hundreds. It already starts with the selection of a distro how would a "non-computer-person" decide on a distro. Just try them out? Install twenty different distros because reasons?

    Unless resources are pooled into a single distro to polish it and make a defacto standard for ordinary people, homes and offices, Linux is not ready. If I need the freaking terminal because I want to see the day of the week next to the date it's not ready.

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    [–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Don't worry guys, we'll never have VR

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    [–] rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Linux has been ready since 2008. Literally not had a single real problem since Ubuntu 7.10 kept turning my monitor off while booting. Everything just works and has for 17 years now.

    Every problem I see people have now (IRL not online) is 'I don't like the default theme' tier nonsense.

    [–] wischi@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

    It might be nonsense to you, but that's the first thing people see. No matter how amazing you business is, if your business card is a handwritten phone number on a piece of toilet paper, nobody will call.

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    [–] HeckGazer@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    It certainly sounds like wayland is just about ripe. Any DE recommendations for a lifelong XFCE enjoyer like myself?

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    [–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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    [–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Thanks to the likes of Proton, gaming on Linux is a hell of a lot better than it was ~5 years ago. You can actually do it now for the most part without to much fuss in my experience as long as you stick to Steam.

    But once you leave Steam or get something brand new made by an EA type and have to lean on third party implementations of Proton or raw Wine to get things working it gets a lot worse.

    [–] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

    But once you leave Steam [...] it gets a lot worse

    Heroic Games Launcher is pretty great for games from GOG and Epic. You can run games with Proton just fine.

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

    Lutris is also a great option, actively contributing to it. Got a slightly different focus than Heroic, but a lot more features as well. Basically a one-stop shop once you got familiar with it. Really needs more people that can contribute though given the huge amount of platforms and launchers it attempts to cover (literally all of them).

    [–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Agreed, but I think it's important to note that that isn't because of a shortcoming of Linux, it's because those companies are incentivized to support platforms that are more suitable for enabling massive profits, that's what it seems like to me anyways.

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    [–] Aeri@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Requirement: let me play the video games I want to play that have anticheat

    A stiff requirement

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    [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    I still haven’t got discord wayland screen sharing working. (No audio)

    Still on vencord in the interim

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    [–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Fractional scaling is still a mess

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    [–] m3t00@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    all wife needs is Mahjong and shopping. not like I need to run Mine Sweeper. just a browser with Internet. Most could not install any operating system so charge for the install labor. lan-splaining is a waste of time. bring a book if Mom needs her windows fixed. thinking about putting her on linux when her machine finally pukes.

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    [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Can someone more plugged in than me show me what I gotta do to get that 'Discord Wayland sharing' working? I literally installed Vencord a month ago because every time I tried to share a window or my screen on discord it would hard crash.

    [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    why don't you all run discord from the web browser? what's the advantage?

    [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    I don't have some objective reason personally, I just don't like web apps for 90β„… of things.

    I'm curious does the web app allow for pass-through audio devices (an audio interface) or things like voicemeeter?

    [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

    I don't have some objective reason personally, I just don't like web apps for 90β„… of things.

    me neither, but the discord app is a webapp just as well. the difference is that it runs its own browser engine, and so uses more system memory, and that it has free access to everything in your computer (and your local network), including your files, the audio devices, and lots more information on how you use it.

    I'm curious does the web app allow for pass-through audio devices (an audio interface) or things like voicemeeter?

    I'm not sure, I don't understand what do you mean by pass through audio devices. what do you use it for?

    [–] Kagu@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

    Instruments and a nice microphone. The audio interface handles both hardware side and passes the audio via USB to the PC

    [–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

    I would think that if it had access to those in the discord app, it would still be able to do so in the web browser, but now it would ask for your permission.
    I have never used such devices, but I assume that either they appear as normal audio source devices in the system, or voicemeeter makes one for them.

    at the same time its ridiculous how limited voicemeeter is regarding the number of audio devices it can handle. its an artificial limit, even in the paid version

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