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    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    If the average person can not use your OS, it is not ready. Period.

    For example:

    Windows - Open File Explorer > Add Network Drive > Find/plug it in > Enter creds > Bam. Ready to go and will automatically log you in at boot. Very nice, very intuitive UI.

    Linux - Open Dolphin (or whatever) > Network > Add Network Folder/Find it > Enter creds > Does not automatically mount the drive when booting the computer back up > Must go into fstab to get it to automount > Stop, because that is ridiculous

    In my own experience, I was able to get the hang of Windows with no one showing me how a computer ever worked, at the age of 10! Intuitive enough a child can do it.

    On Linux, you have to read manuals/documentation, ask random (mostly rude) people on the internet, or give up because why the fuck would I want to go and enter 5 commands just to have something as simple as auto mount a network share? Not intuitive, therefore not easy to learn as you go.

    I get it, Linux people like knowing how their computers operate, they like ensuring everything is working the way THEY want to, and that's awesome! What's not awesome is recommending Linux to the general populace and then getting upset at them for asking why they can't do something or why don't they just do these steps to do whatever it is they are having issues with. Then, you have a person who doesn't even know what a terminal is confused as hell because they were told Linux is so much better than Windows.

    Until we get a more intuitive (GUI focused) way of doing what I would consider normal computer tasks, it will not ever be ready. That's just the way I see it.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    If the average user

    Proceeds to describe a task average users never perform.

    And no, you having been a smart child doesn’t excuse you being an obtuse adult.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    the average person doesnt know how to mount a drive on windows or even what that is or why you would want to, they just need to be able to open a browser

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    Very good point!

    Example 2:

    I need to drag this file into my browser to upload it to the website I'm visiting for whatever reason. I'm an average user that has only ever really needed a browser. My OS came with Firefox, but when I try to drag the file onto my browser window like I've always done, nothing happens. Is my computer broken?

    No, it's installed as a snap/flatpak that doesn't have the "privileges" to do that, and I will never know that since I'm an average user who only needs a browser.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Meanwhile my experience with automounting network drives with dolphin is

    Open Dolphin > Add Network Folder > Enter creds > Check automount box > done

    I haven't had to use the terminal for anything in years. There's some things I do in the terminal, but that's because I like it better, not because there isn't an intuitive way to do it.

    The reason guides tell people to use the terminal is because it's the same across DEs, not because there aren't DEs that make it more intuitive.

    Would I throw a random non techy friend on Linux? No, because it's not what they're used to. If they had no computer experience at all though I absolutely would.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    No automount check box on openSUSE, my Linux OS.

    Also, we're talking average users here, not some techy people who at least understand the differences between the OS and the file manager they use.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    Also, we’re talking average users here

    Ah yes, the average user who deals with mounting hard disk partitions all the time…

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    What DE do you use? KDE Partition Manager has a setting for it.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I use KDE!

    I’ve looked into this before , so in all seriousness, what options would I choose to make it auto mount without asking for a password?

    I see the box for no automatic mount, but I don’t see one that is for auto mounting? I’m assuming the don’t prevent boot… option is pretty self explanatory.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Yeah these were the default settings but it's what I would leave it at. I chose /mnt/data just for an example but that's not a bad spot for it either.

    After clicking OK it asked if I wanted to let it modify fstab to allow auto mounting. So this should just accomplish what you're looking for I believe.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    So, I looked into KDE PM, and I guess it would have been more helpful to explain that these drives were made on Windows, and has data that I can not afford to move into a new drive at this moment. So in the mean time I am trying to work between Windows and Linux when one doesn't do what I'm needing in the moment.

    When I double click the ntfs partition in the window, it brings up a partition properties window. At the bottom of this window, I can see the flags section. One is "bios-grub" and the other is "boot". If I tick the boot option, will that make it auto mount?

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    if you want to access NTFS partitions on linux, you should turn off "fast startup" in windows. control panel, energy saving, "choose what the power button does" menu. (so intuitive, eh?)

    when that's ticked in, it will always just hibernate the system after logging out, and that's a nono, and a big one if dualbooting (even just 2 windowses)

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I appreciate you for trying, but my Windows has never had that option turned on. :(

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    that's weird, it's on by default. maybe on early versions of 10 it wasn't?

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Unless computer companies include Linux with their PC's, it will never get general adoption.

    No average user will follow instructions on how to boot Linux distro installer, especially when there are multiple steps needed to do so, such as on UEFI systems.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    This isn't really how this format works but ok

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Thanks to the likes of Proton, gaming on Linux is a hell of a lot better than it was ~5 years ago. You can actually do it now for the most part without to much fuss in my experience as long as you stick to Steam.

    But once you leave Steam or get something brand new made by an EA type and have to lean on third party implementations of Proton or raw Wine to get things working it gets a lot worse.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    But once you leave Steam [...] it gets a lot worse

    Heroic Games Launcher is pretty great for games from GOG and Epic. You can run games with Proton just fine.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    Lutris is also a great option, actively contributing to it. Got a slightly different focus than Heroic, but a lot more features as well. Basically a one-stop shop once you got familiar with it. Really needs more people that can contribute though given the huge amount of platforms and launchers it attempts to cover (literally all of them).

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Agreed, but I think it's important to note that that isn't because of a shortcoming of Linux, it's because those companies are incentivized to support platforms that are more suitable for enabling massive profits, that's what it seems like to me anyways.

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Can someone more plugged in than me show me what I gotta do to get that 'Discord Wayland sharing' working? I literally installed Vencord a month ago because every time I tried to share a window or my screen on discord it would hard crash.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    why don't you all run discord from the web browser? what's the advantage?

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I don't have some objective reason personally, I just don't like web apps for 90β„… of things.

    I'm curious does the web app allow for pass-through audio devices (an audio interface) or things like voicemeeter?

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    I don't have some objective reason personally, I just don't like web apps for 90β„… of things.

    me neither, but the discord app is a webapp just as well. the difference is that it runs its own browser engine, and so uses more system memory, and that it has free access to everything in your computer (and your local network), including your files, the audio devices, and lots more information on how you use it.

    I'm curious does the web app allow for pass-through audio devices (an audio interface) or things like voicemeeter?

    I'm not sure, I don't understand what do you mean by pass through audio devices. what do you use it for?

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Instruments and a nice microphone. The audio interface handles both hardware side and passes the audio via USB to the PC

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    I would think that if it had access to those in the discord app, it would still be able to do so in the web browser, but now it would ask for your permission.
    I have never used such devices, but I assume that either they appear as normal audio source devices in the system, or voicemeeter makes one for them.

    at the same time its ridiculous how limited voicemeeter is regarding the number of audio devices it can handle. its an artificial limit, even in the paid version

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Requirement: let me play the video games I want to play that have anticheat

    A stiff requirement

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    Calling Linux's version of DVR a "viable video editor" is rich given that a. It doesn't work on most distros (it's designed for Rocky Linux. It throws a fit on any other distro. You need to jerry-rig it), requiring a whole thang to get it to play nice; and that b. It doesn't support any of the video formats and codecs people actually want to use, for seemingly no reason, since the Windows version supports those formats just fine.

    KDENLiVe is like, fine for a simple project, but you quickly start hitting your head on its limitations. Plus its UI sucks just in general.

    Video editing is the reason I keep a small Windows install, because sometimes I need to do video stuff for work and -- Sorry. No. No Linux video editor even compares to the likes of Premiere and Vegas. They're still barely above Windows Movie Maker.

    GIMP is a perfectly serviceable image editor, and yes, GIMP 3 is a major improvement -- But it's kinda missing a lot of things Photoshop users take for granted, and its UI and hotkeys are very idiosyncratic, which makes migrating very hard (... I sorta have the opposite problem though. I learned image editing on GIMP and all my muscle memory is GIMP oriented, so even when I'm on my 'time to work' windows install, I only really open PS if I desperately need one of its exclusive functions, cuz otherwise I'd have to relearn my whole workflow)

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Fractional scaling is still a mess

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    all wife needs is Mahjong and shopping. not like I need to run Mine Sweeper. just a browser with Internet. Most could not install any operating system so charge for the install labor. lan-splaining is a waste of time. bring a book if Mom needs her windows fixed. thinking about putting her on linux when her machine finally pukes.

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I still haven’t got discord wayland screen sharing working. (No audio)

    Still on vencord in the interim

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    wayland clipboard

    Lol

    Also kdenlive was still a pain for me to work with, but that was mostly because of its layout, shorcuts, and wording of some features.

    Otherwise yeah, we've made it pretty far.

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Don't worry guys, we'll never have VR

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    It certainly sounds like wayland is just about ripe. Any DE recommendations for a lifelong XFCE enjoyer like myself?

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    "Linux is ready" - which distro? Fractional (sometimes even non-fractional) scaling is a mess. Most things that go beyond changing the wallpaper image need some command line stuff. Linux Desktop is for nerds and definitely not ready.

    Yes it works fine if you know what you are doing but most people don't. There is often not one thing of doing stuff, but hundreds. It already starts with the selection of a distro how would a "non-computer-person" decide on a distro. Just try them out? Install twenty different distros because reasons?

    Unless resources are pooled into a single distro to polish it and make a defacto standard for ordinary people, homes and offices, Linux is not ready. If I need the freaking terminal because I want to see the day of the week next to the date it's not ready.

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    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    A Photoshop or affinity would be nice

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Yes, affinity suite and dxo photolab or true alternatives is whats keeping me from switching :/

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    You getting downvoted for this is hilarious.

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