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    [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago

    "We do not break userspace." ~ Linus Torvalds

    I would always argue that any distribution which does not prioritize this principle is a hobby project, not a serious distribution for end users.

    Which is fine, hobby projects are good, but they should be labeled accordingly to properly set user expectations.

    [–] pewpew@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So Arch is a terrible distro

    [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    YES

    but also resoundingly NO. arch's purpose is what it is, its an awesome modular tinker system where you have to do some manual intevention sometimes.

    if you want a plug n play system (like me nowadays) you dont need to bother with ever, get stuff like mint ubuntu pop...

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

    This. It's a good distro to base something else on (like SteamOS), and therefore good to learn how distros work without the need to even now how software as a whole works (that would be Gentoo).

    It's however horribly unstable, finicky and time-consuming as a daily driver as all the tiny adjustments and pre-configuration other distros make are missing by design.

    It's good if you want to become the soldier.

    [–] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago

    Has any of that happened on the average Arch in the past years? The only thing I have seen is an email once or twice a year asking to run a manual operation to fix a package migration.

    [–] VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Instead of donating to the distro, consider donating directly to the software projects you're using.

    Distros write a little software as well, but mostly distribute software written by others.

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Both deserve our attention and donations, please don't try to divert people from one important FOSS project to another.

    [–] VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    90% of distros could vanish tomorrow and nothing of value would be lost. Without the software they are packaging, the ecosystem would vanish.

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Without distros there would be no Linux desktop ecosystem to begin with. Also who's to say what true value is?

    Every distro comes with people who don't just maintain their own stuff, but contribute to the whole ecosystem. It doesn't need to be a Debian or Arch to be worth something.

    So again, please don't start bickering about what's most important. It all got its place, and someone calling for donations for good thing A does not undermine good thing B. All good things need attention.

    [–] crater2150@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Manual firmware updates

    As someone who's work laptop no longer has Wi-Fi since the automatic firmware update, I like my updates to be manual.

    [–] dkc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I’m going to piggyback off your comment to take a moment to complain about System76 computers, which I own and enjoy. That being said I wanted to run Fedora instead of PopOS.

    It’s super frustrating to me that many of my old computers could automatically do firmware updates using fwupd, but to update System76 laptops I have to install from a copr repo their system firmware update service.

    The funny thing is they do appear to support fwupd, I assume they just aren’t maintaining it.

    A Linux laptop for Linux people, but they’ve managed to set it up where you don’t get the best experience unless you’re running PopOS. It’s little frustrations like this that make me want to go back to a Del laptop for my next computer.

    [–] VerifiedSource@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    System76 can't feasibly support all the linux distros and their different versions. Especially an unstable cutting edge distro like Fedora. It's too much for such a small company.

    back to a Del laptop

    Does Dell still offer laptops with official Linux support?

    [–] dkc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    My ask here is for System76 to use a popular and shared tool by many Linux distributions to do firmware updates (fwupd) instead of rolling their own solution only installed by default on PopOS.

    I’m not sure if a Dell still offers Linux support out of the box, but you can still easily install firmware updates on multiple Linux distributions using fwupd.