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[–] sudo@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Patrol Cop once told me a joke about how he ran over a black kids bike. When got back to the station he saw the kid at the desk trying to report the incident. He'd carried his busted up bike the entire way. The cop behind the desk called out "Hey Rob, did you run over this kid's bike?". "Nope". Case closed. No report filed.

Edit: PS: This was one of the "good ones". He voted Clinton in 2016 because the rival faction in the Union was showing up to Trump rallies in class A's. Took him the entire Trump admin but he works retail now.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

How the fuck is that a joke?

[–] sudo@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

It was funny to him. It was the moment he realized he could get away with crime.

[–] Llamalitmus@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Aristocrats!

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hello, you seem to be referencing an often misquoted statistic. TL:DR; The 40% number is wrong and plain old bad science. In attempt to recreate the numbers, by the same researchers, they received a rate of 24%, but only while considering acts like shouting as violence. Further researchers found rates of 7%, 7.8%, 10%, and 13% with stricter definitions and better research methodology.

The 40% claim is intentionally misleading and unequivocally inaccurate. Numerous studies over the years report domestic violence rates in police families as low as 7%, with the highest at 40% defining violence to include shouting or a loss of temper. The referenced study where the 40% claim originates is Neidig, P.H.., Russell, H.E. & Seng, A.F. (1992). Interspousal aggression in law enforcement families: A preliminary investigation. It states:

Survey results revealed that approximately 40% of the participating officers reported marital conflicts involving physical aggression in the previous year.

There are a number of flaws with the aforementioned study:

The study includes as 'violent incidents' a one time push, shove, shout, loss of temper, or an incidents where a spouse acted out in anger. These do not meet the legal standard for domestic violence. This same study reports that the victims reported a 10% rate of physical domestic violence from their partner. The statement doesn't indicate who the aggressor is; the officer or the spouse. The study is a survey and not an empirical scientific study. The “domestic violence” acts are not confirmed as actually being violent. The study occurred nearly 30 years ago. This study shows minority and female officers were more likely to commit the DV, and white males were least likely. Additional reference from a Congressional hearing on the study: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951003089863c

An additional study conducted by the same researcher, which reported rates of 24%, suffer from additional flaws:

The study is a survey and not an empirical scientific study. The study was not a random sample, and was isolated to high ranking officers at a police conference. This study also occurred nearly 30 years ago.

More current research, including a larger empirical study with thousands of responses from 2009 notes, 'Over 87 percent of officers reported never having engaged in physical domestic violence in their lifetime.' Blumenstein, Lindsey, Domestic violence within law enforcement families: The link between traditional police subculture and domestic violence among police (2009). Graduate Theses and Dissertations. http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/etd/1862

Yet another study "indicated that 10 percent of respondents (148 candidates) admitted to having ever slapped, punched, or otherwise injured a spouse or romantic partner, with 7.2 percent (110 candidates) stating that this had happened once, and 2.1 percent (33 candidates) indicating that this had happened two or three times. Repeated abuse (four or more occurrences) was reported by only five respondents (0.3 percent)." A.H. Ryan JR, Department of Defense, Polygraph Institute “The Prevalence of Domestic Violence in Police Families.” http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/virtual_disk_library/index.cgi/4951188/FID707/Root/New/030PG297.PDF

Another: In a 1999 study, 7% of Baltimore City police officers admitted to 'getting physical' (pushing, shoving, grabbing and/or hitting) with a partner. A 2000 study of seven law enforcement agencies in the Southeast and Midwest United States found 10% of officers reporting that they had slapped, punched, or otherwise injured their partners. L. Goodmark, 2016, BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY LAW REVIEW “Hands up at Home: Militarized Masculinity and Police Officers Who Commit Intimate Partner Abuse “. https://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2519&context=fac_pubs

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

TL;DR: only ~10% of police are confirmed assailants of domestic abuse!

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Now go look up the incidence of domestic violence in the general population, and see if you still feel so smug in saying that, lol.

EDIT: Lots of people angrily downdooted instead of looking it up, lol

[–] PotatoKat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I'm gonna be that person right now, but i really don't care if it's a misleading or misquoted stat. If they get to throw around 13/50 or that trans suicide number without any care to the actual reasons I'm gonna throw around 40% self report to domestic abuse. Just like you can't stop them, you can't stop me. It'd be different if I had a platform of some kind, but I don't. If someone finds out misrepresented something oh well, they'll fine the correct info eventually and by that point they may have been swayed to our side by doing further digging. Go ahead and down vote internet numbers mean nothing to me.

BTW did you know that 40% of cops abuse their spouse?

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lying to support your position is how people lose trust in arguments. I'm used to seeing this kind of BS from the RW but it's disappointing to see it from the left. We need to be better than this or discussion becomes completely useless

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are few things more frustrating, politics-wise, than seeing someone who you presumably fundamentally agree with on issue X, fuck everything up by exaggerating or fabricating evidence.

It's better to get called out by someone who isn't interested in doing anything but correcting them. Could easily be fuel to completely reject the premise if it was someone else.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, well said

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

I love how every acab post inevitably brings out a bunch of uninformed libs in the comments talking about how pigs are only bad in America (as though the term ACAB was invented in America...) or how a society without them is completely inconceivable. As though badges grow on trees, like police are just a natural thing that sprung out of the ground.

The primary function of the police is to protect private property and enforce eviction. They're state agents who are allowed to use violence against working class people, and do so to prevent us from overthrowing the ruling class and redistributing wealth and the means of production. They protect class hierarchy. They attack protestors. They use state violence against the disenfranchised and the marginalized. The "just doing their job" of the police is to protect and preserve the unequal distribution of power in society. They do so by using violence against the working class. The rest of anything else they do is a small fraction of their job and entirely secondary to their primary functions.

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Shame that the kid was such a threat to the cop that he needed to unload several magazines into him.

[–] Lotarion@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That kid's getting punted across the street the next second lol

[–] RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

That kid had a gun 🔫

[–] Fleur__@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Police aren't the problem it's the culture and laws they enforce

E: sorry I think I might've misunderstood or spoke in a confusing way. I meant I think the police as an institution isn't the problem. I think they are a necessary part of the justice system. I get the impression that there is a lot of problems with the current American police system (I'm not an American so correct me if I'm wrong). I think there are plenty of 'bad' police officers. I think a culture change in the police (institution) and adjustments to the laws they enforce would be good. I don't think all police officers are bad though and I don't think anyone who is a police officer should automatically be considered bad. I especially don't think the police as an institution should not exist.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are the officers not part of that culture? Do they have no discretion in what laws they enforce and when?

[–] Fleur__@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah they are. Yes they do? Are you asking rhetorically? Those answers seem obvious

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I kinda thought you might put it together, but ok. Yes, those were rhetorical and obvious.

Police are responsible for police culture so pointing to culture doesn't absolve them or change any of the math here. Same with the laws, they may not directly make them or have a say in them (unless you count police unions), but they can choose when to enforce them, when to not, and against whom. Again, your arguments aren't changing any of the math here.

The problems of police are caused by the police and sustained by the police so they are entirely the fault of the police. Your comment seemed to imply that at least some of the blame should be taken from the police since it's not them it's the culture and the laws. I'm saying, it's still all them. The culture and the laws are still on them.

[–] Fleur__@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I agree with everything you say. I think having a police force is a pragmatic choice to make. I think the idea that there is no redemption for the police force is irresponsible. I think police culture and laws need to be changed.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Any policing service which actually serves the people will not be descended from the modern day police. It will be a new organisation, with no association to the old.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Getting shot in your own home during a no knock raid isn't a culture problem.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I don't know in what shithole of a country you guys live to hate cops, but here they are just decent, helpful protectors they ought to be. Never ever met one single piece-of-shit-cop in my life. There surely are rotten apples, but that is due to being human, not being a cop. There is no field of anything where everything's sunshine and lollipops. Maybe it's a case of how you treat them? You know, like give respect, earn respect? That thing?

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nuh uh, dehumanizing them works better!

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago

Wow, such argument, many insight. Hope you'll never need a cop (and you're not murican) 😉

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[–] Dra@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is being facist towards people born with a low intellectual capacity OK? They cant help it

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago
  1. That's not "being fascist".

  2. They don't necessarily have a low intellectual capacity, they're just barred from becoming cops if they score too high. The cops are discriminating against people with high capacity and that's not OK.

  3. The thing that is happening here is OK because they're class traitors and 100.0% bastards. You're licking boot.

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