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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605

A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

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[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just yesterday here on Lemmy, I mentioned the dangers of violating privacy, and some commenters went on about "what dangers?" Implying there were none...

Is it not enough to gesture broadly?

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No one has anything to hide, until they do

[–] waspentalive@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

I once heard that "Anyone can be charged with a crime if they can be watched closely enough for long enough."

[–] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

There is no way for these companies to say no to law enforcement. That is why you should stay away from corporate social media.

[–] MrFagtron9000@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Facebook doesn't use e2e.

There is a private chat e2e feature, but then your chats don't show up on PC.

[–] Technomancer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

She aborted at 28 weeks. That's nearly 6 and a half months pregnant. Most babies can survive outside the womb when they're around 22 to 23 weeks. This was a baby, not some tiny fetus.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I was born decades ago and 2 months early; in the glass box for weeeeks to beat the 11% survival-at-all stats.

Having said that, IT'S STILL NOT FACEBOOK'S BUSINESS as a conveyor and not a filter.

[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When you oppose the left-wing, you're defending this.

[–] octet33@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So either FB isn't actually E2E, or their implementation is Twitter-grade broken.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Who said facebooks private chat would be e2e?

[–] Boldizzle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

And y'all thought China having your data was something to be afraid of.

[–] wtry@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Remember folks, when subverting a theocratic hellscape, use something encrypted.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This isn't subversion, or any sort of theocratic hellscape.

Girl could have gotten an abortion 100% legally up through 20 weeks of preganancy. At 24 weeks the fetus becomes viable outside the womb. At 28 weeks she (with the assistance of her mother) took meds to kill the fetus and induce a stillbirth, commenting that she couldn't wait to be able to wear jeans again.

She goes through natural labor to pass the stillbirth outside of any medical facility or supervision, burns the remains, and buries them on a farm. When questioned by police, she and her mother admit to using Facebook Messenger to discuss their plans.

The only thing in any way related to the romanticized fiction of some sort of downtrodden freedom seeker you're talking about is that using encrypted communications would have prevented their discussions from being available to be subpeona'd. That said, admitting to police you even had those discussions in the first place kind of defeats the damn purpose.

[–] wtry@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've taken the liberty of re-reading the article and have some things to point out 1. the girl was 17, a literal child, something you seemed to forget in your comment 2. You mentioned that she wanted to wear jeans again and that that was the motive, but the word 'jeans' wasn't even mentioned, which makes me wonder if you're tampering with anything in your comment coming from the article. All that considered you have a good point with some things such as in this specific situation such as them confessing to conspiracy was not a good idea, but I will still say use something end to end encrypted when doing something like this.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 1 points 2 years ago

It might not be in this article but there are others that state that one of her messages about doing the abortion was that she couldn't wait to wear jeans again.

She should have legally gotten an abortion in the first 20 weeks of the pregnancy. I'm all for abortion and reproductive rights, but not when it's a viable baby already like it is at 28 weeks. She had 5 months to abort legally and easily and she didn't. Not only did she then illegally abort it, but she burned the stillborn baby and buried it. That's not ok.