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German party could rely on far-right again for immigration vote (www.bbc.com)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Friedrich Merz, leader of Germany’s CDU party and a leading candidate for chancellor, may again rely on far-right AfD votes to pass stricter immigration laws.

This move, following a similar vote earlier in the week, has drawn widespread criticism, including from former Chancellor Angela Merkel and current Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who called it an “unforgivable mistake.”

Protests erupted across Germany against CDU's cooperation with AfD, which has been partially classified as extremist. Immigration remains a key issue ahead of Germany’s snap election next month.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ói! Has Germany forgot recent History? Throw the far right out. Ban the party. No clemency.

[+] [email protected] -18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is what moderate parties need to do to stop the situation getting worse. A large amount of people dislike immigration. Just ignoring that doesn't work.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just like moderates under Hitler should have gotten behind his policy on Jews, right? A large amount of the population disliked them, just ignoring that doesn't work, right?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The bar for ignoring the democratic wish of the people should be set as high as possible. I would (personally) count the popular demand for state backed robbery and murder of its own citizens based on ethnicity to be above that high bar. On the other hand, simply declining to have more people come into the country from outside is nowhere near the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

We are speaking of the people that will, most often than not, occupy the lower paying/non specialized works that most nationals consider below them, correct?

The people that most often clean houses and businesses, work fields and greenhouses, staff restaurants, take the hard jobs in general and most often than not get exploited?

How about we put the people against immigration filling those jobs?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

At least in Austria it's even more stupid
Immigrants from outside the EU have a real hard time to be even allowed to work legally.
And then people complain, that they're only here to receive social benefits - or younger people sometimes get into illegal drug trade, because they also want to join their Austrian friends in partying or having a smartphone.
What the hell else should they do, when they're not allowed to work?
Fucking hypocrites...

I took in an Indian immigrant in my company with a finished PhD (in Austria), because else he'd be forced to leave the country.
There were quite some hurdles to get over, so he could even start. Because you need to argue why you give the foreigner the job and they also need a quite high start salary, else they aren't allowed to stay.
Seems to depend on the country of origin and what their immigration status is, but it's at least not easy for them to even get a job.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

and most often than not get exploited

They get exploited because the capitalist class prey on their vulnerability, and the political class is largely complacent about this because the want economic growth at any cost.

Poorly managed immigration is the product of globalists seeking to move labour wherever they can most easily exploit it with little care for how working class families feel about it.

Moderate political parties of all kind and in many countries in Europe have refused to talk honestly about this state of affairs. It has disillusioned a great deal of the populations who don't care for botched immigration plans and feel marginalised from political processes. It seems you can't even suggest maybe there should be less immigration without someone else feverishly dressing that up in hyperbole. (Notwithstanding that, obviously, that is also a view that racists and Nazis have. But simply having the view itself doesn't automatically sign one up to the rest of their horrid beliefs)

If immigration were reduced then certain jobs would either go undone or employers would have to bid higher to buy labour from the local market. Budget problems that that may cause simply highlight the monopoly of assets by the 1% that governments have enabled and should do something about.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

They get exploited by a mix of factors, some of which are:

poor or badly prepared information for non-nationals
no easy recognition of academic competences
nationals refusing certain segments of employment due to systemic low salaries and/or poor working conditions
bad actors

In good intelectual honesty, I can't oppose immigration to my country; historically, we are an emmigrant nation.

Want I can oppose is how the same that go out and often get exploited, eventually come back and do the same to those coming here. Bad actors.

At a government/legal level, those same bad actors exist and thrive at delaying or not properly organizing the means for those that want to integrate, legally, to do so. It is extremely sad to be a private citizen and be forced to show a public official where and how are they wrong.

And professional, independent, orders refusing to recognize the competences of non-national professionals is disgusting. If a phisycian is good enough to provide healthcare in a tourist destination, I risk they can perform just as well anywhere else. The same for teachers, engineera, etc.

And last, on my list, why are there occupations too low for my compatriots to take? Low salary? Make demands, go on strike, unionize. Poor work conditions? Same recipe.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

"In two months time we will have pressed Hitler so hard into a corner, that he will squeak!" - Franz von Papen (Centre party) 1933 In "The last Resort. About the appointment of Hitler as Chancellor"