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I've been shooting every now and then for the last 20-ish years and I'm a decent shot. I've shot a handful of different pistols, rifles, and shotguns. Leaning towards getting a pistol, not totally sure what I'd get. It would be for home/self defense but I like to go to the range sometimes. I'm considering:

  • Some sort of 1911
  • Ruger LC380 (is it even possible to get a CCW in CA?)

Any thoughts/recommendations?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Opinions are going to vary a lot

Now, I shoot 1911 a ton. It's my favorite handgun, period. My main carry gun is a 45, though not a 1911. But I can't say it's an ideal choice for a first time owner. Don't get me wrong, it's the kind of gun that you can enjoy the rest of your life, at all skill levels. So if you're only getting one and don't care about the early stages of learning, it's a solid choice.

But it is a bitch to learn on. They're just so heavy and they kick middle hard. It's an awkward gun for a newb, imo. Once you get used to it, it's great though. Not sure where your experience level is, you might have already shot enough to be used to something like that.

Me, if I was picking a starter gun, there's actually a new one out there. The Ruger RXM. It's a glock clone, 9mm. It's affordable, but doesn't sacrifice anything to do it. The damn things shoot like a custom setup right out of the box. The trigger is just so smooth, with a fast return. That makes is a dream on the range. It's got this modular design that's going to allow you to customize easily (once there's time for the market to build for it). It's set up for optics out of the box, it's compatible with a lot of glock parts. And it is just a pleasure to shoot.

No bullshit, I'm considering selling my beloved ruger p90 so I can get one. I've got thousands of rounds through the p90 just the last few years, and I've had the thing since the late 90s. That's how impressed I was with the RXM. The p90 is like an extension of my body at this point, and I still shot better with the RXM.

Now, if you're looking for something more concealable, the lc380 is definitely a solid piece. 380 is generally considered the bare minimum defense round, and it is easy as hell to shoot. However, I'd also take a look at the Ruger security in 380 if that's where you want to go round wise. They shoot fairly similar, in my limited experience (borrowed only, so no long term usage), and the security is a new model that has some nice features. Worth comparing in person to see which one fits you better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But it is a bitch to learn on. They're just so heavy and they kick middle hard.

Keep in mind that there's 9mm versions too, which will cut back the recoil and the higher weight means it'll kick less than a gun with a polymer frame

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's true. I always forget that there's 9s. Mainly because I'm not a wimp ;)

Bad jokes aside, I do usually forget about them because in my head 1911 = 45, and anything else is not "really" a 1911. Which I know isn't accurate or useful, but it's one of those old man habits that aren't worth fixing lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Add my meme to your bad gun joke collection.

I'm a 1911 fanatic. Yes, one of those people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The gap between even a compact 1911 and a .380 pocket pistol is pretty wide. They are both automatic handguns, but quite different.

If you aren't planning to carry, there's really no reason to pick a pocket pistol sized handgun over something else that is larger and more pleasant to effectively shoot. If you do want to carry (and are able to navigate how to make that happen in CA) a pocket sized .380 is a good option because the size and weight making it easier to consistently carry trumps shooting ergonomics in this situation. Sidenote: While I refer to all of these sub sub compacts as pocket pistols I want to mention I don't actually advocate pocket carry. It's stupid, even with those soft pocket holsters. Just get an IWB holster which will be nice and tiny matching the handgun in the ease of carrying.

Putting those pocket pistols out of the running assuming it won't be carried, the options are still open. At the point you get into the caliber and different operating system arguments. I think 9mm is tried and true. A striker SAO styled pistol is a pretty inoffensive choice. Glocks are popular, but if you aren't interested in the aftermarket upgrades I think these days there are better out of the box options like CZ P-10s and even the M&P series are better than a stock out of box Glock IMO.

But some people like 1911s or DA/SA guns. That's your choice. I think for 1911s, Rock Island Armory is still considered the go to 1911 when you don't want to spend huge money but honestly my information on 1911s lags a bit, they aren't really my focus. For a DA/SA I'll again show my Czech bias for the CZ-75 series.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Also, Rock Island Armory has some 1911 models that are chambered in 9mm, and a couple of the double-stacked ones are reasonably priced if you're willing to look around. One I was eyeing a couple months back was $550, though was iron-sights only

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Semi-automatic...

Cz75 sp-01 for full frame

Any of the 9mm cz compacts for well smaller frame

The question is why a handgun if you're keeping it just for home defense and not carrying it?

Get an AR.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The terminology for handguns is a little wonky, as "automatic" is a long running term for automatically loading, semi-auto pistols. It's not incorrect to say semi-automatic pistol , but the insistence on saying it is somewhat new compared to historical term use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't know where you are from, but no one says automatic handgun here in the states. As automatic, is exactly that around here: hold trigger and it mag dumps. Semi-auto is just pointing out it's not a revolver.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Paul Harrell always called them "auto loading pistols".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yea, but that's different than automatic. The other user has pointed out that it is a term, but as I stated no one I've ever talked firearms with or even been around calls them automatic pistols. We just call them pistols or revolvers or even wheel guns...this is at ranges and matches all over the USA. It's not a common term. When someone says automatic, they're talking about a giggle switch for their pistol or rifle. It's just not common.

Not that the term is wrong or anything, it's just not common.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You might not like it, but "automatic" has been a term for semi-automatic self loading handguns. Here is an NRA article written in 2024 repeatedly referring to "automatics". John Browning himself developed "ACP"- Automatic Colt Pistol cartridges, which were named such at the time, which were used for Colt Automatic Pistols.

Non-Colt pistols have also been referred to by their makers as automatics. A Bauer "Automatic 25" example.. A family of Webley & Scott handguns.

As to use, people still put up listings referring to self loading pistols as "automatics".

And another listing.

You can buy a 7th edition of book called Gun Digest Book of Automatic Pistols Assembly/Disassembly which was refreshed in 2022 and still kept the name.

And for good measure, this isn't even a pistol but shows historical willingness to consider self loading as automatic, the Browning Automatic-5 shotgun.

You can disagree if it is a good term, you can use other terms, but it is a thoroughly established and used term.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I'm pretty sure I'm not even allowed to say "AR" here in CA