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US suicides hit an all-time high last year (english.elpais.com)

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About 49,500 people took their own lives last year in the U.S., the highest number ever, according to new government data posted Thursday.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I will probably get shit for this, since it's a predominantly left leaning space, but until society starts acknowledging men's issues it will keep getting worse.

https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics

In 2021, men died by suicide 3.90x more than women.

In 2021, firearms accounted for 54.64% of all suicide deaths.

This article is an excellent example of what I am talking about. It does not even mention the disparity of suicide rates between the sexes despite it obviously being a huge outlier. Instead, they talk about how guns are the problem, even though a gun is just a method.

Taking away the easy methods to commit suicide might reduce the rate, but it does nothing to address to core issues that make people want to kill themselves in the first place. Instead of 5000 dead people you will have 5000 people who wish they were dead. Mission accomplished.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I will probably get shit for this, since it's a predominantly left leaning space, but until society starts acknowledging men's issues it will keep getting worse.

???

What left leaning circles have you been in? I think we all know men have issues too?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

In my left leaning circles it's pretty well understood that feminism is about helping women. And that's a good thing. Trying to make feminism an ideology which serves all genders is problematic because it implies an omniscient perspective counter to proper intersectionality. Men experience oppression but only men can represent their oppression in discourse.

Women can't and shouldn't feel like they can have an opinion on men's issues. "Stay in your lane" comes to mind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How far do you take this perspective? As a lefty that doesn't sound like a very leftist take, rather it sort of completely eschews the principles of solidarity and reason-based argumentation...

I do agree that feminism is about helping women (and that's great!), but should mothers not advocate for better mental health resources for their sons? Should I not advocate for better access to birth control for the women in my life because I'm male or for Ukrainian liberty because I'm not Ukrainian? Denying someone access to public discourse about a topic because they're not suffering the consequences of the topic seems a bit silly to me. And of course, men do actually suffer under patriarchy, albeit in a different way than women obviously.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I am taking some rhetorical leeway towards a more radical presentation of the perspective, for clarity.

Solidarity can only be achieved once people can recognize one another as equals, and "women tell men how men should advocate for themselves" is not equal recognition. Of course women don't think they're womansplaining the oppression men experience.

I don't believe in reason-based argumentation. Reason is how consent is manufactured. I trust reason only within the confines of the emotional message a so-called rational actor is emitting within the performance of the ritual of discourse. Too many women have been told to shut up for being 'unreasonable' for me to take reasonability all that seriously.

Certainly mothers should perform their motherhood within this lens. Their motherhood is centered, not the primacy of their opinion. The mistake the essentialization&monopolization type feminists make is centering feminism, when an ideology is not a cure for anything except the nagging sensation that if we come up with and communicate the right ideas the problems will go away.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Regardless of your gender, you are coming across as quite unreasonable.

I’m not even sure the point you’re trying to make.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Then read it again. And don't police tone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh yeah no clue why you’re coming off as unreasonable.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I have explicitly told you I don't care if I come off as unreasonable, so what's your problem?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Please, I’m asking nicely, watch your tone. Your italics are upsetting me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

but until society starts acknowledging men’s issues it will keep getting worse.

Good news. We've moved on from 'man hating' on the left. Intersectional Feminism actually espouses the fact that men are also harmed by the patriarchy and all the ridiculous demands that it puts on us, like not feeling feelings. You should look into it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Expecting women to help men is like expecting men to give women the right to vote suddenly on their own initiative.

If you’re essentializing the left you’re stuck in meaningless ideology. “Kill All Men” is a good T-shirt and let’s not pretend women shouldn’t look out for women. Intersectional Feminism might have good ad copy but expecting an ideology to cure all problems is a broken (and male-oriented) way of viewing the world.

“If we just get the ideology right the hard work will disappear!” No, men are still going to have to help other men and “Intersectional Feminism” is still going to be either 1) a way to a more nuanced feminism (a good thing for those feminists to develop, don’t get me wrong), or 2) an Extremely Online project of no real consequence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Why do you think men aren't participating in feminism? We're men helping men over here.