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Matrix public server - which one choose? (endlesstalk.org)

submitted 1 year ago by Swim89z@endlesstalk.org to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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firstly happy new year for all.

I need to start use Matrix to talk with my biggest friends and colleagues of my university, but i read is good not create an account on matrix.org and create an account in others public servers , to not centralize the matrix protocol. My question is if anyone has a good experience with others public servers, besides matrix.org. Any tip or advice?

I found this servers on joinmatrix with longstanding: https://tchncs.de/en/matrix | https://syscom.utwente.io/info/matrix/homeserver/ | https://matrix-help.envs.net/ | https://tedomum.net/service/matrix/ | https://rollenspiel.chat/ ...

Which one should i choose, any tip?

TYIA

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[–] smee@sosial.link 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

tchncs.de runs their own lemmy server along with many other services, at least they seem serious.

[+] Dungrad@feddit.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.process-one.net/blog/matrix-gateway-setup-with-ejabberd/

I went the other way hosting a gateway from XMPP to hopefully avoid Matrix when possible

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why Avoid Matrix ?

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It is de facto centralized around Matrix.org & the servers they run, which was originally funded by Israeli Intelligence so who knows what they are doing with all the metadata flowing to a single cluster of servers. Also using the eventual consistency model like a blockchain duplicating all data between all nodes while resilient is incredibly wasteful on storage & RAM. The costs are so high, most medium-sized servers with open sign-ups needed to shutdown due to storage costs & scaling up a node costing too many extra resource for CPU/RAM. There also wasn’t anything lacking about the prior arts—but open source & startup like to reinvent more things than they should.

Ejabberd, which I mentioned, can run nodes with 2 million simultaneous connections per node & run on meager hardware in comparison with an extra decade of stability / battle testing.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Matrix.org & the servers they run, which was originally funded by Israeli Intelligence

Can you elaborate on this? The only connection I was able to find to Israel at all is that the British people who originally created the protocol worked for an American company (amdocs) that was founded in Israel in 1982, but bought out in 1985 long before Matrix was developed. Furthermore, Amdocs hasn't funded the development of Matrix since 2017 and the current Matrix.org foundation is based in the UK.

Wikipedia: Amdocs, Matrix

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about Bridging ? (That's a great feature for a chat-technology to have & I'm gonna defend this to the death)

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was called gateway by all sorts of tech til last generation decided to rename the old concept?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So....... XMPP has Bridging capabilities, apparently ? Then that's amazing

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use a Matrix gateway thru my XMPP server, but they warn you on how expensive it will cost to run

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So...... XMPP by itself Doesn't have Bridging then ?

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

In XMPP everything is an extension (XEP)

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0100.html

Some can be baked into a server, others use external tools like Slidge or Biboumi

[–] fossphi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

It also seems to perform snappier than the main matrix instance

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I joined through them because of that. They seem to know their poo-poo.

[–] gregor 1 points 1 year ago

envs.net is a long-standing server, I think it's a good fit for your use. I guess you could also use my homeserver, gregtech.eu, but please do consider how much you trust a guy on the internet to run it.