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Andrej Karpathy endorses Apple Intelligence (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Z4rK@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world
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Actually, really liked the Apple Intelligence announcement. It must be a very exciting time at Apple as they layer AI on top of the entire OS. A few of the major themes.

Step 1 Multimodal I/O. Enable text/audio/image/video capability, both read and write. These are the native human APIs, so to speak.

Step 2 Agentic. Allow all parts of the OS and apps to inter-operate via "function calling"; kernel process LLM that can schedule and coordinate work across them given user queries.

Step 3 Frictionless. Fully integrate these features in a highly frictionless, fast, "always on", and contextual way. No going around copy pasting information, prompt engineering, or etc. Adapt the UI accordingly.

Step 4 Initiative. Don't perform a task given a prompt, anticipate the prompt, suggest, initiate.

Step 5 Delegation hierarchy. Move as much intelligence as you can on device (Apple Silicon very helpful and well-suited), but allow optional dispatch of work to cloud.

Step 6 Modularity. Allow the OS to access and support an entire and growing ecosystem of LLMs (e.g. ChatGPT announcement).

Step 7 Privacy. <3

We're quickly heading into a world where you can open up your phone and just say stuff. It talks back and it knows you. And it just works. Super exciting and as a user, quite looking forward to it.

https://x.com/karpathy/status/1800242310116262150

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[–] AverageGoob@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yikes. Just hit em with the ol' "<3" for privacy. Does not inspire confidence.

[–] reattach@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I thought the original post was satire - list all of the privacy issues, then throw in "Privacy <3" at the end. Seriously, almost every one of those points has a potential privacy issue.

Guess I was being too generous.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

#trustmebro

<3

[–] Z4rK@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

How so? Many people want to use AI in privacy, but it’s too hard for most people to set it up for themselves currently.

Having AI tools on the OS level so you can use it in almost any app and that is guaranteed to be processed on device in privacy will be very useful if done right.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah just like Microsoft Recall right? An AI that has access to every single thing you do (and would also be recording, otherwise how does it know "you") can never be private by design. Its literal design is to know everything about you, your actions, and your habits. I wouldn't trust anyone to be able to create an actually secure piece of software that does the above. It will always be able to be stolen/sold/abused.

[–] Z4rK@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

macOS and Windows could already be doing this today behind your back regardless of any new AI technology. Don’t use an OS you don’t trust.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't use either of those thankfully:).

[–] Z4rK@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s fair, but you are misunderstanding the technology if you’re bashing the AI from Apple for making macOS less secure. Most likely, it will be just as secure as for example their password functionality, although we don’t have details yet. You either trust the OS or not.

Microsoft Recall was designed so badly, there’s no hope for it.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 0 points 2 years ago

I simply don't, and wouldn't trust Apple. They will tell you they are all about privacy, and happily sell your data behind your back. Just like any other company.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You think your iPhone isn’t collecting data on you? Is that what you’re saying?

[–] Z4rK@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Unless you are designing and creating your own chips for processing, networking etc, then privacy today is about trust, not technology. There’s no escaping it. I know iPhone and Apple is collecting data about me. I currently trust them the most on how they use it.

[–] ji17br@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The phone is, Apple isn’t. They outline everything in the keynote if you are interested.

[–] c10l@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Founding member of company that stands to make fortunes through a product endorses said product.

[–] Z4rK@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I mean, that’s fair, if you don’t believe in his integrity than this news have very little value to you.

[–] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

I look forward to Apple Marketing coming up with their usual line of nonsense, like a meaningless name for an existing capability that they are claiming to have invented.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"and it just works"

has he even used an llm before?

[–] Z4rK@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He sort of invented it, so you have to think he’s commenting on the concept here, not the implementation.

I have tried a lot of medium and small models, and there it just no good replacement for the larger ones for natural text output. And they won’t run on device.

Still, fine-tuning smaller models can do wonders, so my guess would be that Apple Intelligence is really 20+ small and fine tuned models that kick in based on which action you take.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

An LLM has no comprehension of what it says. It’s just a puppy that is really good at performing for treats. This will always yield nonsense a meaningful proportion of the time.

I don’t care how statistically good your model can be under certain constraints and inputs. At the end of the day, all you’ve done is classically condition your computer.

[–] Z4rK@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It goes a tad bit beyond classical conditioning... LLM’a provides a much better semantic experience than any previous technology, and is great for relating input to meaningful content. Think of it as an improved search engine that gives you more relevant info / actions / tool-suggestions etc based on where and how you are using it.

Here’s a great article that gives some insight into the knowledge features embedded into a larger model: https://transformer-circuits.pub/2024/scaling-monosemanticity/

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That’s great. But that’s not how it’s being marketed and sold to the public. It’s being sold as an oracle (as in crystal ball, not database). And it’s misleading and hurting people as a result.

I’ll reiterate: An LLM has no comprehension of what it says.

It’s a matter of engineering ethics, on multiple levels:

  • the training data in the vast majority of cases is outright stolen
  • it’s being sold as something that it’s not, and the result is causing real damage to people and society in a ton of ways we’re still discovering
  • most people deeply involved in developing LLMs, and basically all of the technical leadership, are categorically ignoring and abrogating any and all responsibility around this “magical” new system they’ve made. We’ve seen this before with social networking. We know where this road leads.

I’m not saying the tech should be banned. That’s obviously idiotic. Neural nets can - and are - used for tons of fascinating and excellent applications. It’s just that my staunch opinion is that LLMs are a terrible application of that the tech at this stage of development, and it’s particularly terrible that OpenAI/Microsoft/etc are aggressively foisting this technology on the public, and simultaneously refusing to take any ethical responsibility for it.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 1 points 2 years ago

What the hell is the fella smoking if he thinks Apple would ever let others use their on-device LLM? Like, the company that deems it too dangerous if apps could change a wallpaper?

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Kernel process LLM

God I hope not. That sounds extremely insecure. Definitely do not do this in the kernel.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

🙄