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As we all know, Roblox is garbage tier gameplay structured around psychological cues to get children to fill an endless pit with fake money bought with real money.

So I banned my kid from it. He used it a little bit socially with a few friends of his. What online or local multiplayer games should I help him to replace it with? (He's 10, so please don't recommend Diablo 4 or anything else that has quite that much gore)

He and his friends have an Xbox Series X|S at home.

Edit: keep your judgemental shit out of here. His whole social group (5 kids he knows from school) got banned on the same day. Me and the other parents are trying to be nice and replace it with better quality games so it isn't just a punishment.

Edit2: Thanks guys. I got him Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For everyone saying OP should let their kid play Roblox and just ban spending money... just no.

Roblox exploits child labor for profit and they have terrible scummy business practices. If you have even marginal ethical qualms about child labor and/or capitalistic exploitation of vulnerable people, you should be keeping yourself and your family away from Roblox. In your mind they should be in the same category as multilevel marketing, crypto scams and door-to-door religion peddlers.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Roblox really is the lowest of the low.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

I actually think it's fair to call them child predators. They're exploiting kids for money instead of sexual gratification, but it's the same power dynamic. Child exploitation is their business model.

[–] ferralcat@monyet.cc -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This guy's argument would literally be that Mario maker is encouraging child labor because it doesn't pay kids who make levels in it.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

Intent makes a big difference. The value of Roblox as a platform and as a business is based on the work done by children to develop for it, and it was set up that way on purpose. They created an incentive model to encourage it.

Nintendo's value as a company is not based on kids creating Mario Maker levels, nor does Nintendo push kids to do so with the promise of earning money.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Roblox sells the idea that you can actually make money with it, it has its own economy with job hunting and salaries. Mario Maker is just a community game.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's an entirely different thing, because Mario Maker doesn't lure anyone with the bait of financial gain.

[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's horrible. These 10 year olds are learning programming and game design skills for nothing. Good thing THAT was nipped in the bud.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

This is addressed directly in the linked videos. Development for Roblox doesn't translate outside of Roblox.

[–] Arkenbon@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Terraria, for something crafty-buildy with combat and very cartoony/2d blood and gore. 1-8 players.

Don't Starve Together, survival crafting in a hand-drawn Tim Burton-esque style. 2-6 players.

Awesomenauts, 3v3 fast paced competitive game in the style of Saturday morning cartoons. 3-6 players.

Deep Rock Galactic, coop shooter where you play space dwarves and shoot bugs while doing missions together. Gore may be a bit strong for your liking, but it's very stylized and only against bugs and robots. 1-4 players.

Risk of Rain 2, shooter where you try and escape a planet together with lots of different ways to play. 1-4 players.

Age of Empires 2, old school fast-paced medieval strategy game modernized with new graphics and such. 1-8 players.

Valheim, viking survival crafty buildy game in which you explore and conquer a dangerous world together. 1-10 players.

Cassette Beasts, technically not multi-player yet but they're adding it as a free update January. It's a Pokémon-esque game where you'll all be trainers in the same overworld together capturing beasts and taking down challenges together. 1-8 players when it comes out.

All of these games are rated T for teen, but it sounds more like you're opposed to M rated violence and language than T levels. They're all also insular in that this friend group doesn't need to involve other people to play together and can either play with or against each other or the computer.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some really solid recommendations here. Thanks a ton. I've heard of Deep Rock Galactic but it didn't pop into mind. And Risk of Rain 2 looks great.

[–] SatouKazuma@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

DRG does have a touch of profanity if you're concerned about that, btw.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I just want to avoid the porn games on steam, and any super-gory shit like dead space. I thought Diablo would be fun for him but it is a bit too much right now. It was different when super pixelated back in the D2 days.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Factorio provided you want a group of kids that you never see again that can all program their own PLC devices

[–] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Try Minetest - https://www.minetest.net/

It's a FOSS voxel engine, so they can play multiplayer with their friends for free. MineClone2 is a Minecraft clone on Minetest, so even if their friends don't have Minecraft, they can still play with friends.

For paid games, consider indie games, as they're less likely to be micro-transaction bullshit. Raft, Stardew Valley, Two Point Hospital are good options. Not so much multiplayer, but Stardew supports it. Multiplayer wise, maybe Among Us if the parents are comfortable with that.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The answer is whatever his friends are playing.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Coincidentally they got banned from Roblox at the same time! One of them dumped $50 in an afternoon on the game then had the audacity to ask for more money. So his whole social circle got booted from that cesspit on the same day. Me and their parents are trying to find good substitutes.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

This is some good context. I'm not too familiar with roblox but I understand it's more of a platform than a single game. How are they accessing microtransactions? If that can't be prevented than that's a bigger problem.

[–] xaxl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That kid is now known as the kid who got Roblox banned among their group of friends, not a nice thing to known for. This will be seen as a punishment by them regardless of how you frame it especially once the other kids at their school become aware of it.

Ouch. Good luck navigating this one as your kids get older.

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still confused as to why you guys don't just ban the spending of money on micro transactions and not the game itself? Every game is jam PACKED with mtx these days, from CoD to Fortnite to Forza.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Roblox is well-known for predatory practices aimed at children, and predatory behavior from other users who may or may not be looking for children to abuse.

Banning Roblox entirely seems like a very reasonable thing to do IMO.