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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world. About 1C of total warming. Second chart: about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability. Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases. About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

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Jokes aside... I'm starting to get a bit desperate and despair with this shit. The world is literally on fire (with all the forest fires etc), oceans are boiling, ice caps and glaciers are melting and causing deadly waves and mudslides and everyone is just going about their business, shrugging things off and buying another iphone.

I've sold my car, I use bicycle or public trans, I spend quite a lot of time figuring out which products to buy to be sustainable, my electricity contract has 100% renewables, mostly hydro, I havent bought new clothes in like a decade (and I don't want to), etc etc... But when I talk to anyone I know about this shit, they just go "oh yeah its horrible, someone should do something about this. Anyway, I just booked a holiday, its 8000km away and we'll be using a cool jumbo jet to get there!"

Raaaahhh.

Sorry, rant over.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is not a problem individuals can solve at home

[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

excuse me but, while the US torpedoed an Iranian oil tanker in the strait of Hormuz I was able to recycle 17 aluminum cans.

[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

3 tankers, I think :(

[–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah thats sort of what I was complaining about. We, as a group, don't care enough to take collective action. I'm doing my thing, I'm not doing it because I think I'm going to save the world, I'm doing it because I think its the right thing. I'm not under the illusion that me or my friends can change the world. The point I was making (very badly), was that they are not interested in doing even the minimum, so theres absolutely no hope for getting any bigger changes done.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm kinda similar. I think it helps because you need to show people what a greener world would actually look like. The train is less intimidating if a coworker can answer all your questions.

We can get rid of all the data centers and everyday life would be pretty much the same. With cars it's another story, and the average person has less imagination than you're imagining.

[–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 2 points 9 hours ago

Hmm, yes, good point, about showing and answering questions.

When I was 15 to 28ish, I was the guy who was into cars, went everywhere with a car, heck, I had like 7 cars at one point. Now that I'm not that guy anymore, I find myself answering questions about getting rid of all the cars and stopping driving. A few people have gone "huh, I guess its not that bad" when I tell them how easy it is to go from spot A to B with a bus. I guess its a sort of "lead by example" kind of thing.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it is at the polling booth buy alas, they can't even be ass'd doing thay

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 22 hours ago

Most countries don't even have enough climate conscious candidates to form a government if they were all elected

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The jets are bad but miniscule compared to cruise ships that wander in a week long circle and go nowhere.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 0 points 18 hours ago

Jets could also be done in a renewable way (like using hydrogen), whereas some things, like driving a gas car, will always be a net negative.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is very hard to live with.

Not all problems are solvable (this one is technically solvable but politically, it isn't) and we need to accept whatever outcomes there are, despite our best efforts.

[–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I think thats the most infuriating thing about all this, it could be solved but because cunts are in charge, it won't be.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yeah. And the reason they're in charge is because we don't have the requisite social consciousness / organisation / structure to put better people there. Changing culture and political systems takes a long time, which we don't have.

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think humanity was really just not set out for the discovery of oil. Too much energy, too quickly, and at a macro level we just consumed as much as possible, spread as much as possible, and integrated it as a new dependency rather than a long term resource with consequences. We didn't even realize there would be consequences until roughly the 1960s, and by then the nations funding the research were so dependent on it, they kind of ignored it or worse, lied and said it was wrong.

And for every problem we face, we use energy to solve it, and most our energy is the fossil fuel variety... So when we try to solve issues, we fuel cars and industrial equipment and use oil to go clean up oil spills.

It's kind of a trap, and we weren't in a good position to survive it.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

I think it’s also size of democracy.

The more people you have that vote, the less they think their vote has an impact.

I bet you can totally change a few thousand people’s minds in a productive way.

[–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah...

Oh well, I've resorted to do things out of spite. I'll keep living frugally, economically, ecologically because fuck everyone else.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

sure we do its called democracy,

surely your argument cant be that say Reform in the UK who are super popular and climate deniers have the same policies as say The Greens in the UK ? or in Australia or NZ or Canada, or Germany.

And while id agree that arent radical enough the Overton window needs to be moved substantially before the truly radical politicians can be heard.

what we've collectively decided to do is not even try and then say we run out of ideas, a. d then respond with let's just elect the worst of the wort and clutch our pearls.

weave had 100 years

We're to stupid

[–] rimu@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

Many people will just throw up their hands and walk away but for me the only way I can accept what will happen is if I did my best (minus my handicaps, like living under capitalism, personal issues, etc etc) to stop it.

[–] nodiratime@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

Are you vegetarian/vegan?

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah might as well tell you the truth. A drop in the ocean isn't going to do shit. A.I. is going to make all your choices worthless. Look at the gas turbines right now. Look at the projection preventing climate change is over the moment A.I. was invented. Now its just hope it doesn't kill everyone.

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Still, every little bit helps, as the old woman said when she pissed in the sea."

I wouldn't tell people not to try just because they aren't running data centers. Other people see people trying then it inspires them to try, and seeing a bunch of people trying when others are rolling coal makes people act accordingly.

Would you go to a protest against a data center if the dude asking you didn't give a fuck and it was obvious? What if they were making changes to their lifestyle and trying hard too? It's more inspiring when people actually do what it takes.

But when you're in a culture where people just litter, you don't try because someone who seemingly cares also isn't trying. You don't want to be in a situation where everyone gives up, even those that care.

[–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I know.

I don't really have any hope or positive outlook for humanity to continue for very much into the future

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If you aren't the US or china you can't do anything that will actually move the needle. Here in nz we're trying to reduce emissions as if our 0.00001% global reduction is going to make up for the fact that the increased cost caused manufacturing to go to china and get produced and shipped back at 100x the emissions.

There needs to be a global catastrophe to sharply halt emissions. Even china reducing by 10% wouldnt be enough since the damage compounds year on year.

That being said I do try to keep my emissions down and buy low emission goods in hopes enough other humans think the same.

[–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 1 points 9 hours ago

Yeah I just try to keep the local area clean, traffic free and stuff like that. My motivations are not saving the world, its to make my city a bit better.

[–] crazycraw@crazypeople.online 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

personally, I don't think it's(the situation) salvageable and long term survival plans should be enacted. I appreciate those that are living within their means.

[–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah pretty much everything I've read is indicating that the point of no return has been passed and things are only going to get worse. The good thing is, I'll be dead before the real disaster arrives.

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Frogs, meet boil.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Crucial part of that is

If a frog had a means of getting out, it certainly would get out

So far only 3 frogs can get out, but they can’t go anywhere without freezing to death.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago

Alright! Top score!