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GrapheneOS is currently defending its use of AI coding tools on Mastodon against complaints by various accounts claiming to be users.

We do not understand where you're coming from or why you're so incredibly angry with us. It's not justified and does not make sense.

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 22 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

I'm anti-WhateverTheBillonairesArePushing. And by golly are they pushing AI.

[–] FG_3479@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

GrapheneOS is using AI models to find vulnerabilities before others do. The Bitcoin Red Team did the same and found an absolute ton.

I hate the AI bubble, but they're forced to use AI to defend against AIm

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world -4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You shouldn't let billionaires control your life. They may not have your best interests at heart.

[–] Crit@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yea, but by refusing to use anything pushed by billionaires you technically give them control. They can just start pushing anything and you would stop using it

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Using tech that billionaires push makes them richer and gives them control.

Tell me how does not using their crap give them control, exactly?

[–] Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It’s more of stupid technically. If a billionaire randomly decides that they want to push sliced bread really hard would you stop buying sliced bread? If so then the billionaire technically has some control over you, because they caused you to stop buying sliced bread

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I mean, see where you're going there. Bread may be a bad example because I can get sliced bread from a local or regional producer that is more conscientious. If any billionaire is pushing me to buy sliced bread its going to be some mass produced crap like Dempsters that I would never buy anyway because I do not support corporate food where I can avoid it as I've lived through enough mini crises in the last 30 years to have learned the hard way that when things get tough, its the local and regional creators that keep things on the shelf.

AI however, is only good in the older forms where models were made to do one thing and do it well with reasonable levels of compute. Those were sustanable. LLMs, no matter where you run them, cost disgusting amounts of compute to train and no matter how well you train them will only evey have a statistical chance of being right, and they will never have 100% accuracy without throwing even more power at them.

And, LLMs will never reach AGI. If we want something that really mimics humans, then what we need are many tiny, efficiently trained models for specific tasks with high accuracy, and then interface between all those skills with a very accurate task comprehension model, and then maybe we will get to AGI, because this is basically how humans work.

I still maintain that LLMs are the wrong tech, at the wrong time, and the only thing their proliferation is being pushed for is their questionable capability to enable ths surveillance state we were warned against for the last 40-50 years in scifi. And the CEOs want this because people are getting more and more fwd up with their shit.

All LLMs will bring the world is misery. There is no acceptable use for them and I am sticking to that line in every product decision these days. They were built on the backs of free content that the world created and a ton of copyrighted work that was just blatantly stolen.

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 hours ago

Even a broken clock is right 2 times a day though.

Would you care about AI if it wasn't pushed by billionaires?

[–] Vendetta@feddit.org 28 points 10 hours ago (10 children)

I'd argue that this news is over-blown. The project has more than a solid and honorable track record with insanely talented engineers behind it. AI is a new technology that is not going anywhere. I would put my faith into their decisions to improve this project by whatever means they think are best.

The truth is most commenters are not technically skilled to evaluate or critique their decisions. If GOS team, who again would be at the top % in the field, feel that this can elevate the project, should we not give them the benefit of the doubt?

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 3 points 1 hour ago

My thought it was over blown until I saw them claiming that anyone on Mastodon is "not a user" and them saying that any real users are on their Discord and not complaining.

Uh, OK - Discord was semi-excusable up until 2025, but at this point anyone using it to communicate with their users is certainly not considering how bad that channel is for user privacy. Im a Graphene User, I will not use Discord, and I am not going to continue to use an OS thats supporting the rapid expansion of datacenters through the use of AI.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 hours ago

Exactly this. As much as I hate the current AI scenario across the board, the GOS team has shown, time and again, that they are stellar developers and coders, that they genuinely care about security, and that they are the best at countering anti-privacy on the technology front.

If any team can use AI responsibly to improve all this, it's the GOS team. And if it ends up failing on it's face, I expect them to move away from it if things go south. Now, if they don't because of 'AI addiction', then I will be looking at what my alternative options are. Until them, I'm 100% with them, as they have not given me any reason yet to doubt their judgement.

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